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The Crammax. Do you not think that our immigration law at
present has been generally acquiesced in?
Mr. Lion. I do not think, sir, this question has been at all understood.
 I think there are a great many people who are opposed to
the national-origins basis, who are temporarily rendering the-hpservice
 to the 1890 basis; but in a great many instances thogé people
have the objective of breaking down restriction. and as soon as you
get the national origins out of the way then those people who are
rendering lip -service to the 1890 basis will turn and attack it on
those grounds I have mentioned.
Senator Nye. Do you feel, Mr. Lloyd, that the 1790 census is not
subject to any attack?
Mr. Lroyp. 1 should say it is beyond any serious attack. I do not
think that anything very much in this world is perfect. I should be
guided by the expert opinion in cases of that kind, and, as I say, I
Jo not think anything is perfect.
The CHairmax. Just what is the defect in the law at present
that is being administered ¢
Mr. Lroyp. Defect?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
Mr. Lioyp. Well, it is discriminatory in a great many ways. The
quota figures, of course, you gentlemen are familiar with. 1 do not
think there is any basis, any rhyme or reason for a basis of quotas
which gives to Germany one and a half times as much as England,
Scotland, Wales, and north Ireland. I do not think there 15 any
rhyme or reason or basis or justice In quotas which give the Irish
Free State, with a population of less than the State of New York,
almost as much as Great Britain.
1 believe it is fair to sdy that in this restrictive law the idea wus to
ecure assimilable immigration, and it would seem that the most as-«imilable
 kind, unless you are going to select and he highly discriminatory
 the other way, would be to have your incoming quotas
substantially of the same composition. same kind of elements, and
same proportions as found in the populations. I do not think anybody
 in their senses would argue that this country is one and a half
times as much German as British or Irish as it is British; and as
long as we are going to have immigration’ we might just as well
have the kind that will blend in harmoniously with our existing
population.
The Crarryrax. Do you believe in any immigration at all?
Mr. Lroyn. Do 1?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
Mr. Loy. Well. sir, T had not made up my mind on that question.
 I do not think that isa practical question. I think that rather
than: have improper immigration, unassimilable immigration, It
would be better to have exclusion. but I do not think that that 1s a
question to be talked about or, from my point of view. considered.
{ trv not to waste my time,
The (‘maizmax. 1 have no doubt vou would not waste your time
under any circumstances, Mr. Lloyd. But the question was asked
and is entitled to an answer.
Mr Lioyp. I have not made up my mind.