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Mr. Simmons. The Department of Labor has a check on that
matter; they have published figures with reference to it.
Mr. Kerr. The passage of your bill, Mr. Chairman, will permit
of 30,000 more Canadians to enter than seem to be entering now?
The CrairMman. I believe so.
Mr. Jenkins. You say that will include 30,000 more under the
Johnson bill?
Mr. Simmons. I merely gave figures showing that the net movement
 of native-born population between the two countries is not of
serious proportions.
Mr. Jenkins. My point is this: You said that there are about 60.000
Canadian-born coming in?
Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenkins. And 40,000 Canadian-born going out?
Mr. SrmMons. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenkins. As I understand the Johnson bill it applies not only
to the Canadian-born who go out, but to the American-born who go
out also?
Mz. Simmons. That is used only as a basis of the quota.
Mz. Jenkins. When you apply the Johnson bill to Canada, you
have to take into consideration two elements, the Canadian-born who
zo to Canada and also the native-born Americans and all other Amerians
 wherever they have been born?
Mr. Simmons. The latter class would not come under the jurisdiction
 of the quota in any wav whatever. That would apply only to
Canadian-born.
The CrairMAN. When you say “Canadian,” you mean residents of
the maritime Provinces?
Mr. Simmons. Whatever the geographical area is that would be
fixed in the quota.
Mr. Jenkins. I am not clear on that. My understanding is that
the basis of the Johnson bill is the number of American citizens who
zo to Canada regardless of where those American citizens have been
born.
Mr. Simmons. I believe that is the basis for the table that is
written in the report of the Commissioner of Immigration.
Mr. Jenkins. In determining what would be the net result of the
Johnson bill, you have to consider how many people of all nationalities
 and of all births have gone into Canada every vear.
The Cuairman. Citizens?
Mr. Box. Citizens for permanent residence.
The Crarman. Native born?
Mr. Jenkins. These figures you have given us would not be safe
figures upon which you could base a statement as to how many
people will come in from Canada under the Johnson bill?
Mr. Simmons. No. The point in giving those figures is merely to
show, in a general way, that there is a very small net movement at
the present time.
The CrarrMaN. Then it stands to reason that if one of these bills
will permit more to come than are coming there will be no objection
either on this side of the line or that side of the line. Is that a fair
conclusion? Co
Mr. Stumons. I would not say that there are no objections.

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