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would not and could not in many instances be satisfactorily answered
by them, so we very definitely urged him to come to California and
the other Southwestern States to see the problem on the grounds.
Though he stated he had never been there he said his information
was sufficient so he would not need to make the trip and so far as we
can learn he never did make it. How can he possibly, under such
circumstances, render you anything like a sound, well balanced
report? .
The CratrMaN. Right in that connection, let us get that clear as
we go along. I understand that at least one university in California
has made an inquiry in California, and copies have come in here.
That is done by the university, and I think perhaps another California
university has made or is making a survey. Probably the Garis
survey, which has not yet reached the committee, had to do with
beet sugar conditions and the employment of itinerant labor in
Colorado and Utah.
Mr. Box. Mr. Chairman, it was just such a survey as has been
made by a great many agencies. This problem is so big that it has
aroused the whole country. Several universities have sent people
to study it, several churches have investigated it, several school
organizations are investigating it, and instead of it being done, as
you gentlemen have indicated, that nobody has paid any attention
to it, most of us have been very busy with if for years. Most of us
have been in your State. I did not get there this year, although I
visited half a dozen States—and I did not go to be wined and dined
at banquets; I went to the fields and evreywhere I could to see things
that were going on, not as they were painted up when I was expected
to come, but in order that I might learn the truth, and these investigations
 in which Doctor Garis has participated have been only one
of a dozen studies made by an aroused public dealing with the situation
that has aroused the whole country.
Mr. Free. Is not this the trouble, though, Judge: When they
start out to Investigate they start out with a preconceived idea and
start out to prove that fact instead of just going out and getting facts?
Mr. Box. Some of it is that way, and I have not seen a single man
representing the views right here that does not show that that is
exactly his attitude. We might just as well be frank about it. Everybody
 knows I have a definite, settled view. It is the result of living
under these conditions; it is the result of seeing them in court and in
politics and in the fields and everywhere else. I know the farm from
the plow-boy up. I am a cotton raiser in a small way. I know some
of the conditions you are talking about. I have somewhat partisan
views, and so have these other gentlemen. They crop out every
time they open their mouths. None of us are able to see these things
wholly in a disinterested way—I mean without any convictions—and
in answer to your question I will say yes, there is a somewhat partisan
view on both sides. We do not need to lie about it. But it is not
confined to any one side. Some of us are working for the welfare of
the whole people of the United States, some of us are working for
some local interest or for the interest of some group,
The Crarman. And we are trying to look far into the future.
Mr. Tayror. Well, Mr. Chairman, to answer both of you, there is
no question but what Congressman Box says is true; however, 1 do