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Mr. Box. That is what the gentleman said.
Mr. Tayror. That is only part of it, and a small part of it at that.
Mr. Box. Your part of it is:
If you don’t bring this ruinous element of population in here to do this work,
we are going to bring in another element that will.
Mr. Tayror. No; we do not say that at all. What we say is that
this population that we are asking be permitted to come in here is not
a ruinous element of population at all, but that if you do exclude
them you will force us to bring in an element of pepulation that is
extremely ruinous. You know the cancer that is in the South
because of the situation that you described a moment ago. Would
you have that spread over the rest of the United States?
Mr. Box. No; it is because I love your country just as much
almost as I do my own that I do not want it over that country.
That is exactly why.
Mr. Tavror. Remember this then: If you create a vacuum in
our country where these people are not now in any large numbers,
you create a situation that is going to break our whole agriculture
if we do not get them, and will they come? I think they will come,
and we are afraid they will come. We can not control the acts of
every individual, and whenever you create a vacuum there is going
to be something drawn into it, just as sure as can be, whether it be
the negro from the South, which would spread the situation that you
have described so effectively, or the Porto Rican negro who will
make it even worse, and the Filipino, who is just as bad. That is
what we are concerned about.
Mr. Box. Mr. Taylor, since I have had the honor to sit at this
table, this committee has had another demand somewhat likethat
you are making now. People came to us representing the great
sugar industry of Hawaii. They told us that unless we permitted them
to bring 40,000 Chinese coolies to help them carry on their industry,
they told us two things would happen. First, they said, “you will
turn Hawaii over to the Japanese with a serious social menace’ —
almost exactly in the language you use. Next they said, *“ The industry
 will be literally wiped out.” Now, by a vote of one, a majority of
one, this committee decided they had better not permit the introduction
 of 40,000 Chinese coolies to intermarry with the hybrid population
 of a portion of Hawaii. Your argument is almost identical.
Mr. Free. Judge, may I interrupt right there? 1 was in Hawaii
very recently and I made a study of their situation. They first
brought in Chinese, then they brought in Portuguese, then they
brought in Japanese.
When the orientals were excluded and when that bill that you
mention failed to pass here, they then scoured the earth for other
peoples, and they are getting into Hawaii to-day the scum of the
earth. They are getting Filipinos and Porto Ricans in there that
will be the worst cancer on Hawail that they have ever had. I would
rather have a Chinaman or a Jap than I would to have the Porto
Rican and it is an ulcer on Hawaii that in a way you might not say
they were forced to, but in going out to get labor that has been the
result, and now it has reached the point where certain people with the
thought of making money out of these people are pouring them into