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Mr. Moore. We are doing it.
Mr. EsterLy. Then you would not need seasonal labor.
Mr. Moore. Our seasonal labor follows right straight around.
Mr. Esterry. If you have enough seasonal labor in California,
why drag in more from Mexico?
Mr. Moore. Because you are taking it away from us. Because
Colorado is taking it away from us.
Mr. EsterLy. Are they paying more up in Colorado? .
Mr. Moore. No, sir.
Mr. Esrerry. Then why do they go to Colorado?
Mr. Moorg. Those people came to the San Joaquin Valley and
took out 6,000 laborers in three weeks.
Mr. Esterry. In Colorado they say they have the same condition
that you have in California, seasonal labor that just comes up there
when they weed those beets and cut the tops off, and then they go
back again to some other place.
: Mr. Moore. Maybe they do. They do not come back to Caliornia.

Mr. EsterLy. That is a point I can not understand.
Mr. Moore. Judge Box said there was a statement made here
that 148 went out for every hundred that came in. Where is the
problem of immigration if that is so?
The Cuamrman. Well, that is not quite so, for this reason: The
United States has no method of counting the people that go out
over the border.
Mr. Box. It proves this also: If the statement is correct as to what
the representative of the State Department said, it would have proved
two things. First, we do not count them as they go out; second,
that we do not know anything about how many come in. You
gentlemen get a whole lot of people that do not come in through the
stations, and you can not tell a Texan any different. because he
knows that.
_ Mr. Moore. Our Arizona situation and our California situation
is so geographically situated that the border partol has practically
complete control of every man passing that border. They can not
get out of those valleys to other parts of the United States without
being picked up. And they are on night and day. I beg to differ
with you on that. I have followed this thing pretty carefully.
Mr. Box. How does this thing arise that 148 go out for every 100
that comes in, and the Mexican population of the United States, the
Mexican-born population of the United States. doubling every few
years?
Mr. Moore. Now let me answer that— }
Mr. Free (interposing). Those figures are for the last six months,
simee the Labor Department and the State Department stiffened up,
and the first time that I know anything about that they have made
any real endeavor to enforce the law, and that is what happened in
six months’ enforcement.
Mr. Box. If we have been able to get the State Department to
make a real endeavor to enforce the law—and those are his words
and not mine—we are very much gratified. }
Mr. Moore. They have cut legal entries 70 per cent, according
to the figures of your own Department of Labor this last year, and
here we have red ficures on this immigration.