288 WESTERN HEMISPHERE IMMIGRATION

Mr. Estervy. The delegates from what States were most interested
in putting that resolution across?
Mr. Gray. The delegates from the States that I mentioned a
while ago—California, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Texas. Colorado,
Kansas, and Michigan.
Mr. EsterLy. Did they trade off another alternative to secure the
passage of this resolution?
Mr. Gray. No, sir; our resolutions are not secured like the tariff
ates are now being made.
Mr. FsterLy. I am in sympathy with you on that.
The Cuamrman. Don’t introduce any more subjects in this. N ow,
as a matter of fact, the delegates, acting on the idea of congressional
representation, the delegates from New York being against the
Canadian border, a large part of that State might have some feeling
in the matter, or some fear that the restriction might require a heavier
supervision, checking the flow to and from the north border States.
They might have some reason for wanting immigration——
Mr. Gray. They might. I think it would be fairly logical if they
nad that interest in it.
The CratlrmaN. In other words, under that system that you have
developed there, they would have just exactly the same interest that
myself, as a Member of Congress, would have in the matter of the
development of the Pamlico Canal in North Carolina. some general
program or nonresisting program.
Mr. Gray. A program in which one might be described as a friendly
neutral.
The CrairmMaN. You know your self that it is not possible for the
Members of Congress to have inside information on all the subjects
before them. They are a little bit dependent on the chairmen of
sommittees.
Mr, Gray. I have heard it even said that some Members of Congress
 had no information on various projects. But I do not make that
statement.
The Crarrman. Ob, that has probably existed for a long time, and
probably will continue, and we will always have Congress.
Mr. Gray. I will say this, entirely on the side, since you have suggested
 it, that as a representative of a large national farm organization,
 I am not only gratified, but I am sometimes surprised by the
amount of information that the average Member of the House or
Senate has on these multitudinous questions which you gentlemen are
faced with; and I am surprised that you, in a general way, act upon
Juestions as intelligently as you usually do.
The CHARMAN. That is very nice.
Mr. Gray. So I am not a man who criticizes Members of Congress,
because in a lesser way I have a multitude of questions brought to me.
They are most always agricultural questions, and to use a colloquial
sxpression, it keeps me jumping to keep informed about the agriculbural
 matters upon which I am supposed to have information. And
you gentlemen have to be informed from one source or another on
many questions other than agriculture.
The CrArrMAN. And as the country gets larger, however, the
Member of Congress has to keep up with conditions. For instance,
take the banking system. I like to keep myself informed upon these
matters, but the best information I can get 1s superficial, unless I can
make a detailed study of it to the exclusion of evervthing else.