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AGRICULTURAL RELIEF
Mr. Gray. One and two.

Mr. JonEs. The bill as pending, requires the action of these ad-
visory councils, and your amendment also provides it.

Mr. Gray. But by changing the order of the sections and by
putting the advisory councils and their recommendations outside of
the findings of the board enumerated in section 7, it is our thought
that it makes the recommendations of the councils more forceful,
and necessarily prior to the operations of the Federal Farm Board,
and gives the recommendations of the councils an authority which
in the order here represented in the bill as drafted those recommen-
dations do not have.

Mr. Jones. It may be true, but I can not see why putting it first
rather than third accomplishes that. In each instance it is a condi-
tion precedent to the operation of the board, and it does not look
like it would be much different whether it is first or third, if all
conditions are essential to the board’s operation.

Mr. Gray. It is not listed as a condition which the board finds.
[t is listed as a condition which the councils find.

Mr. Jones. But if the councils took action under the pending bill
the board would have to find that the council had taken action.
They could not operate until it had taken action. It is 8 condi-
tion in each instance, and I am trying honestly to find out what
additional effect it would have. It seems to me that it is a condition
precedent in each instance, and it would not make a great deal of
difference. You might make it a little stronger by placing it first,
but I don’t think it 1s océasion for all this turmoil that we have here.

Mr. Gray. In dictating or in revising this section on the second
sheet, which you have in type before you, the effort has been to make
the advisory councils, by the rearranging of section 7, a little bit
more authoritative in findings and in their recommendations. By
taking the recommendations of the councils out of the conditions
which the Federal farm board must find prior to its action and by
placing such recommendations prior to the first paragraph of section
7, places a great deal of the initiation of getting into an operation
period on any commodity upon the advice which the councils send
in to the board.

Mr. KincHELOE. No more so than the bill we passed.

Mr. Gray. There are accusations made that by placing the Fed-
eral farm board wholly to the selection of the President by and
with the advice and consent of the Senate, the farm organizations
have surrendered their ultimate and absolute right of control over
that board. We do not agree to that. But that accusation is
made, that we have surrendered everything in the make-up of the
board. That is an erroneous accusation ; but granting, for the sake
of argument, the accusation is true, then by rewriting section 7 you
put back into the producers’ hands some of the authority of initiat-
ing the operation which the Federal farm board will undertake.

Mr. Jones. That would be true, unquestionably, and there is some
force to that statement anyway ; but that would be true, unquestion-
ably, if you do not still retain in the board the authority to require
these other conditions to be complied with before they take action.

Mr. Apkins. Will you please repeat that statement?

Mr. Jongs. I say that if subdivision A of section 7 contained all
the conditions that must be met before the board could operate, the