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Mr. KiLcore. I would say, if you would let me handle it that way, 
in other words, a great deal of time—more time I think has been put 
upon the equalization fee plan than upon any other. It has come to 
be pretty well known and pretty well understood, much better back 
home than Doctor Aswell I think would admit. 
Mr. AsweLL. Back where? 
Mr. KiLcore. Back in the country. Farmers know about it. 
This form of legislation is better understood right now than any 
other proposed farm of surplus control legislation. Unless there 1s 
something else better I think we ought to go along with it rather than 
take a new proposal and then have to educate the people up to the 
point that they know about it. 
Mr. AsweLL. Let us have the record straight. You say it is better 
understood. That is true, perhaps. 
Mr. KiLGgorEe. Yes. 
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country? 
Mr. KiLcore. Sure there has, and that is the reason they know 
about it. 
Mr. Jones. Let me ask this further question—and I am just ask- 
ing this for information and for your reaction: Would you object, 
even in the Haugen bill, to putting in the debenture plan as an alter- 
native proposal to be used in the discretion of the board without 
interfering with the fee, to be used if the board saw fit to use it rather 
than the fee—to give them permission to use it and put it into effect? 
Mr. Kincorg. I think that would be a proposal that is worth 
sitting down and talking over. I would not want to say just stand- 
ing up here, without thinking and working over it and discussing 
1t with the people with whom I have worked and discussed this 
other legislation, without sitting down and talking to them I would 
not want to say, but I think that would be a proposal that we might 
sit down and talk over. 
I will just give you the summary of the thought I have about the 
debenture plan. I really did not want to go into this, because 1 
wanted to hear the gentlemen proposing the debenture. 
Rd JoNEs. I will not ask you the question if you prefer to go 
ahead. 
Mr. Kincore. And so I might understand it as they may have it 
in their minds right now. The McNary-Haugen plan has been 
developed; it has been refined. 
Mr. Jones. So has the debenture plan, very much. 
Mr. KiLgore. It (the McNary-Haugen plan) has been improved 
each year, I think—each year I have gone along with it, so that I 
think it is a better bill this year than it has ever been. I would like 
for that reason to hear the latest, the most refined form of a debenture 
plan, and then take it as they present it and not as I may have it in 
mind from reading, and from correspondence. 
Mr. Jones. I was not asking that to create any embarrassment at 
all, Doctor Kilgore; I was trying to get a re-action in reference to it. 
One reason, as I understand it, the McNary-Haugen Bill provides for 
collecting the fee on a part of one commodity at the point of export; 
most of them are at the processing point, but I think in one com- 
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