AGRICULTURAL RELIEF Mr. Fort. How about the 94 per cent of the farmers that are not in the cooperatives? Mr. Kircore. They would all own the surplus alike, whether they were cooperatives or noncooperatives. Mr. Fort. Who is going to let them know that? Mr. KiLgore. The cooperative associations; county agents and farm organizations. People have means of communication and of information to-day that they did not have few years ago. They are pretty well informed. Mr. Fort. I would like to go on, Mr. Kilgore, but it is 12 o'clock. Mr. FuLMER. Just one question in connection with his argument. Mr. Fort. I want to proceed with the witness later, if we are going to continue to sit. Mr. Fuimer. The producer would know about the increased production, because he would be called upon for a larger fee if he increased the production. Mr. KiLcore. Yes; quite so. Mr. Apkins. Nobody that ever underton- but what broke up. Mr. KiLGorE. 1':¢ large ones where tnev territory. Mr. Apkins. And none went in with the intention of losing money? Mr. KiLgore. No. Mr. Apkins. But past experience has shown you can not do it and depend on good merchandizing to do it. The CrAIRMAN. Are you through, Doctor Kilgore? How much more time do you need? Mr. KiLcorE. Mr. Chairman, I had another thought I wanted to present. I could do it in 15 or 20 minutes, if not interrupted. The CrarRMAN. How long would it take you to conclude? Mr. KiLcore. I have a concluding statement I had prepared which it would take me about 15 minutes to state. The CuairMaN. The understanding is that we will hear to-morrow Doctor Taber and Professor Stewart, on the debenture. The committee will now adjourn to meet to-morrow forenoon at 10 o’clock. (Thereupon, at 12.03 o’clock p. m., the committee adjourned to meet to-morrow, Wednesd>v. Februs— 1928, at 10 o’clock a. m.) 4