134 AGRICULTURAL RELIEF Mr. Menges. Was this land you are talking about now in the higher elevations of the Appalachian Mountains used for cotton before you went into the dairy business? Mr. Kingore. No; that would be the cheese-making area. But the creameries are in the lower areas that do grow cotton; and dairies are taking the place of other farming industries. Mr. MenGes. Then you are raising the crops there to feed your herds? Mr. KiLcorE. More largely than we have been, but not to the extent that would be most profitable to us. But we are gradually coming to grow the feeds with which to feed our dairy and other cattle. Mr. Menges. Will that industry be developed sufficiently by and by to feed your cottonseed meal? Mr. Kivcore. Well, not all of it; we can still spare you some in New England. Mr. Menges. I am not from New England. We largely raise our own feeds. Mr. KiLGcore. The more we develop the dairy industry or other livestock industry the more cottonseed meal we will use ourselves. For at the price 1t brings it is perhaps the most valuable concentrate on the market, particularly for dairy and beef production. The thought I wanted to bring to this committee, Mr. Chairman, in regard to that is that we are having to shift from one crop to another, within very brief periods, and a measure which would stabilize one crop and not another would not be permanent, and it would not be effective. We are for the McNary-Haugen bill, which we believe would operate effectively with all of the staple crops, and it would bring about an adjustment of prices and acreages between the different crops. So that there would not be those wide and ruinous swings from one crop to another within very brief periods of time. We want, and for that reason we advocate, this as the most comprehensive and effective measure which has been presented to Congress for bringing about this stabilization in production, because it would bring about, we believe, a relative stabilization in prices between wheat and corn and cotton, tobacco, cattle, and dairy products; and without that sort of interstabilization between crops we can not have the stability in agriculture that has been brought about reasonably in the different lines of industry. Just as a side thought, I want to say that the milk producers and handlers, particularly of fluid milk, are accustomed to the use of the principle of the McNary-Haugen bill. I operate myself a small milk, ice cream, and creamery plant. We have one price for fluid milk that goes to the regular trade, and for the surplus which can not be dis- tributed in that way there is a lower price for its use for buttermilk or ice cream, and for butter and other products. The principle of the MeN ary-Haugen bill is in practice there. We do not have to have that enacted into law that we may use it, because we only have a small territory where we can work out the matter through agreement and operate. The same is true in a great many of the milk and. creamery plants in the big cities and through- out the country. They use the principle of the MeN ary-Haugen bill. aay. Mra, Do you have cooperative control of prices of those