AGRICULTURAL RELIEF 
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Mr. AxnpErsoN. Oh, yes. 
Mr. MEnGES. Who pays for it; out of whose income is it taken to 
run this machinery? 
Mr. AnxpersoN. Oh, it comes out of the various places. Ulti- 
mately, I suppose some of it comes out of the consumer, some of it 
comes out of the producer and some of it comes out of the speculators. 
It is borne in various ways. 
Mr. MEnGEs. In the long run, is it not finally charged back to the 
farmer? 
Mr. ANpERsoN. I do not think you can assume, Mr. Menges, that 
the charges are necessarily imposed at the farmer’s end. This thing 
is elastic on both ends, and sometimes the farmer gets the benefit 
of it and sometimes he does not. Sometimes he bears the burden 
of it, and sometimes he does not. 
That is like determining which is first the hen or the egg. 
Mr. Menges. Granting your statement that it is correct that it is 
charged both to the ultimate consumer and to the producer—I 
do not know that the intermediaries have any claim here for consid- 
eration—I may be mistaken; I do not want to do them any injustice; 
but if that is so, is the machinery any more unconstitutional now than 
it would be in the hands of an organized agency, such as intended 
by this bill? 
Mr. ANDERSON. Yes; I think so. 
Mr. Menges. It would be? You see, I am not a lawyer and I 
can not go through the hair-splitting business of constitutionality. 
Mr. ANpERsON. There are many things which are permitted to 
private individuals which are not permitted to the Government. 
Mr. Menges. Would you please explain; would you please tell us 
what they are? You made a statement there that ought to be 
verified. 
Mr. AnpersoN. I do not know. Perhaps you would assume that 
the Government would directly enter into any private business. I 
do not think they can. 
Mr. MencEs. Mr. Anderson, I am not inclined to put the Govern- 
ment into any business in which the people themselves can help 
themselves in that business. I am not inclined to do that. 
pe. ANDERSON. At least we can agree on that; I am with you on 
that. 
Mr. Menges. All right. I am not going to press you for an 
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Mr. AnpErsoN. If we go into the question of constitutionality you 
must then contemplate being bored by me for two or three days; 
in fact, one can talk interminably about the economics or the legal 
phases of a proposition that is as complex and as difficult as one 
of this kind is. You gentlemen are quite entitled to your opinion; 
I am simply trying to give you mine, although I do not know that 
you will be influenced by it at all. But inasmuch as I represent a 
considerable industry which would be affected by the provisions of 
any bill which might be adopted by Congress, I feel justified in coming 
over here and giving you my opinion about how it would operate. 
Mr. Menges. That is all right. 
Mr. AsweLn. Mr. Menges said he was not in favor of doing 
anything that the Government could do itself. Does that mean he 
1s not in favor of the provisions of the Haugen bill? 
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