AGRICULTURAL RELIEF Mr. KincauLoe. Which bill do you mean, the McNary-Haugen bill? } . ’ 2 Mr. SEXAUER. The McNary-Haugen bill with its equalization fee, with its Federal farm board, for the purpose of elinia the c00p- erative organizations, for instance, which may not be strong enough to handle particular cominodities, and turning that function over to a farm board created by the Government. Mr. KiNncHELOE. But your association is not in favor of appro- priating any money out of the Treasury to help agriculture at all? Mr. SExAUER. Wait a minute—which absorbs the losses which occur from taking care of this surplus. Mr. CLarRkE. May I ask a question, Mr. Sexauer? Mr. SEXAUER. Yes. Mr. CLARKE. I understand that originally you were opposed to the first McNary-Haugen bill, including dairy products, is that right? Mr. SExAUER. The association went on record at that time as being opposed to that. Mr. CLARKE. But you really have made efforts or tried to evolve a plan for making certain that dairy products would not be included in this bill; is not that true? Mr. SExAUER. I think that is the case, Mr. Clarke, yes. Mr. Jones. In other words, you want to “try it out on the dog.” Mr. SExAUER. No, I believe that the dairy industry in the United States is probably better organized than any other agricultural industry, and that they are better able to solve their problems, pro- viding they are given a fighting chance, by having other agriculture in a prosperous enough condition so it does not force them into the dairy busiress. Mr. Jones. The whole purpose, as vou conceive it, of the McNary- Haugen bill is to try to bring the farmer in on the tariff 1s it not? Mr. SExaver. To give him the same benefit—not entirely—— Mr. Jones. Is not that its stated purpose in its preamble? Mr. SExAUER. Perhaps I am not very good in doping out the various phases of it, but my understanding of the bill is that it is to give agriculture the same protection, both from the standpoint of the tariff and from the standpoint of orderly marketing and organization that all other industry has. Mr. JonEs. I do not see why, then, you should object to any other plan that would accomplish the same purpose. Mr. SExavER. Perhaps if it accomplished all of those purposes that would be true, if it did not take the money out of the Treasury to do it. Mr. Jonks. What you want is just some plan that will bring the farmer in on the tariff and thus give him his opportunity to engage in other things besides dairying. Mr. SExaveR. Providing he absorbs any losses which occur from doing that himself. Mr. Joxes. And regardless of what may be the effect on the public? Mr. Sexaver. The effect on the public— » Mr. JonNEs (continuing). So long as they leave you out of it? Mr. SExauEeR. The effect on the public will be the same, as far as can see. . oo i. Mr Jones. And go along, so long as they leave you out of it?