AGRICULTURAL RELIEF Mr. KINCHELOE. You come as the representativ ia- tion which thinks it is necessary, in ordor to bring prcshon: 2 to tho other branches of agriculture, to levy an equalization fee, and you are very much in favor of them doing that. But vou do not think it will be necessary to put any fee on dairy Det and therefore your association is willing to get the benefit of the equalization fee paid by the farmers to raise the other products? 3 vp SExAUER. That is the only place there needs to be an equaliza- ion fee. Mr. KincHELOE. I would not blame you then, for being for this bill if it does not cost your organization a cent. You would never pay an equalization fee, but the other fellow who happens to raise cotton tobacco, corn, and wheat will have to pay it, and therefore hold up his end and the result is yours is held up and costs you nothing. Mr. WiLLiams. 1 understand the position of the dairy business is that the dairy business was so thoroughly organized that it is able to take care of itself. But their support of this bill is based on their desire to see other branches of agriculture made profitable so they will not quit raising wheat, corn, hogs, and other products and go into the dairy business in competition with your industry? Mr. SExaver. Right. Mr. KincHELOE. But you are ready for the farmers to pay an equalization fee on the other products to pay their losses and there- fore by reason of their doing it it upholds the dairy business; that does not cost your members anything and, consequently, you are very much for this legislation. Mr. Apkins. Do you yield for a question there? Mr. SExAUER. Yes. Mr. Apkins. I understand there is not any commodity here clamor- ing for a bill that is not on an exporting basis? Mr. SExauer. That is my idea. Mr. Apkins. Those who are not are getting the benefit of the tariff? Mr. SExAUER. Right. Mr. Apkins. Then, another thing, it is a fact conceded by every man who has made a study of cooperation—and it has been demon- strated all over the world—that the dairy business is the easiest business to operate cooperatively of any commodity we have. Now, then, you men realize the fact in my own district, for instance, where men do not like to milk cows and would rather raise grain and sell it or raise it and feed it to cattle and hogs and sell them than anything else, are buying cows as fast as they can in order to get some cash crop so they can get by. They believe that this scheme will help them because they are on an export basis and the world market is their market, and they are here asking for this remedial legislation so that they can take hold of this matter, carry the burden themselves and I believe they can raise the general price level. I can see the interest that you have in it and I have been talking to you men about it; that is, we are compelled to do something we did not want to do; that in time necessarily we will have the dairy business where the grain business is, and that you men have an interest in the matter both from a selfish standpoint as well as helping the general farm industry in coming here and advocating this. 661