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pay the equalization fee, but we know that ; ¢ 
to have to pay it if benefited under this ba he Sther Jellow 1S going 
So, you are here f 1 $0 lof thom poy hol, 
, y e here for a selfish motive—I do not say that in an offensive 
way—but you are here trying to keep as many as you can out of th 
dairy business and at their own expense? of the 
Mr. Soxupes, Yes. 
r. AsweLL. Mr. Kincheloe, I think when the ti 
the dairy industry produces a surplus that the dairy hon will be hot 
Mr. KiNCHELOE. Absolutely; and we all know that is the only 
reason the tariff is effective, because they do not produce any surplus, 
Mr. AsweLL. Will not that be time enough to come? 
Mr. MEenGgEs. I would like you to tell me whether you export milk 
products? 
Mr. SEXAUER. Yes, there are some milk products exported—not 
a very large amount, and just why I am not in a position to say 
whether it 1s because of a particular special market that some one has 
built up or not, but there has been some milk products exported dur- 
ing the past year. The amount of exports as compared with the 
amount of imports 1s at the ratio of about 6 to 1; there are about six 
times as much imported as there is exported. 
i MenGEs. What prices are you getting for your export prod- 
Mr. SEXAUER. I can not tell you that. As an organization we do 
not export and the companies who do export are not telling us what 
they get. 
Mr. Menges. You do not know what products constitute the most 
of the exports? 
Mr. SExAavEiR. No; I haven't that information; it is available, but 
I haven't it. 
2k Menges. That would be mostly canned milk and powdered 
milk? 
Mr. Sexaver. Most of that would be in the form of condensed 
milk and evaporated milk. Presumably somebody has a market 
they have built up over a period of years. It is, however, a preferred 
market where they sell advertised brands and might be able to get a 
sufficient amount for a certain quantity to reimburse them for 
exporting. 
Mr. MENGEs. Is not that exportation largely to Australia? 
Mr. SEXAUER. I can not tell you—to Australia? I would not 
think so. But I can not tell you. 
Mr. MENGES. What I am getting at is whether the Canadians are 
not endeavoring to get more of that export trade than we are? 
Mr. SEXAUER. Practically all the condensers to-day who are 
exporting milk to establish plants in Canada for the purpose of 
exporting—I refer to thé large condensers who were built up in this 
country—are manufacturing practically all of their milk in Canada 
for export, except such as, for instance, the Carnation Co. under 
a certain export trust law which we have passed in this country 
have been allowed to form the American Milk Co.; and they 
have established some plants in Europe to take care of their export 
trade; and the Borden Co. operating for the exportation of Borden's 
Condensed Milk; and practically the entire amount of that is manu- 
factured to-day in Canada. We are losing that business. because 
we can not compete In costs.