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        Reprinted from the AMERICAN ECONOMIC REvıznw, Vol, IV, No. 1, March 1914, published
 by the American Economic Association, Inquiries in regard to membership should be
made to Professor A, A. Young, Cornell Unversity, Ithaca, N. Y.

Interest Theories, Old and New

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        1914] Farm Credit Conditions in a Cotton State 67

should be required to make small regular deposits. Thus, capital
would be derived both from ‘stock subscriptions and deposits,
though deposits should ultimately be the larger source. The requirement
 of deposits would incidentally promote thrift among the
locals. This central bank through its executive committee would
pass on the affiliation of locals, decide the credit £o be allowed to
locals, and in general serve as a clearing house to accomplish a
virtual pooling of‘the funds of the whole system. It would also
audit accounts, Each local, however, should be absolutely free to
apply loans in such ways as its members might approve.!* Real
coöperation is essential to coöperative eredit.
Lewıs H. Haney,
University of Texas.

* Those who are informed on coöperative credit organizations will recognize
Ihe similarity of this plan to the one used successfully in India. "The chief
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        INTEREST THEORIES, OLD AND NEW
Abstract theory, always of fundamental importance, has, as
truly as practical policy, its “topics of the day,” and Just now
discussion of the interest problem is especially active. Notable
among recent articles are those by Professors H. R. Scager, Irving
Fisher, and H. G. Brown.* Mere individual differences of opinion
concern us little; but certain impersonal equities which other students
 of economics have in the interest problem, are involved; for
in recent discussion is fairly presented the issue between the old
and the new conception of the interest problem.” And yet the case
for the newer view might seem to be on the point of being lost
before the bar of economic opinion. It is a duty, therefore, to
attempt a more adequate statement of the neglected truths.
The rival views may be characterized as the technological* and
the psychological interest theories. For more than decade, the
psychological theory has been gaming adherents in America.
There has not been lacking adverse critieism in scattered book
reviews and in occasional footnotes ; but in the main, the opposition
has been of a merely negative sort, in that most economists have
failed to reckon with it and have adhered to the older thcory.

7. Professor Irving Fisher as a productivity theorist.
Seager’s paper, just cited, is the first systematic attempt that
has been made to disprove any version of the newer theory (for
Fisher’s “impatience theory,” which Seager attacks, has been generally
 supposed to be a psychological theory). "The discussion
started by Seager necessarily follows in large part the lines determined
 by Fisher’s treatment. Let us first, therefore, try to get
our bearings as to that. My own position on the general question

1 American Ecoxomic REvızw, Dec, 1912, H. R. Seager, (eritique of) “The
Impatience Theory of Interest”; Sept., 1913, Irving Fisher (reply), and H, R.
Seager (comment) “The Impatience Theory of Interest.”
Quarterly Journal of Economics, Aug., 1913, Harry G. Brown, “The Marginal
 Productivity versus The Impatience Theory of Interest.”
*To prevent misunderstanding, let us say that Böhm-Bawerk is here classed
among those holding to the old theory, for his “roundabout process” explanation
 is technological, though united with strong Psychological features in the
explanation of consumption loans.
*'This somewhat unusual word is here employed in the sense of physically
productive, a technological interest theory being one which finds the explanation
 of the rate of interest in the actual, practical performances, or uses, of
agents in producing other goods.
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involved in this discussion has in the past been with Fisher so far
and so long as he adhered to a psychological explanation. And
yet, I must recognize the merit of Seager’s argument in several
respects, and, as a psychological theorist, I find myself more disquieted
 by Fisher’s reply than by Seager’s direct attack, Partieularly
 regrettable is the impression of confession and avoidance
which Fisher gives, He seems to capitulate on the main issue. To
the charge that he failed “to take account of the elements of productivity
 or the technique of production,” Fisher enters a denial‘
in terms which seem to imply that he is a good productivity theorist.
 This reply comes as a surprise even to those who were aware
of certain ambiguous expressions on this point in Fisher’s writings.
For if he has not meant to deny, in his previous writings, the
validity of productivity theories, one knows not what to believe.
Here are some significant passages:

There are many who, consciously or unconsciously, aseribe the phehomena
 of interest to the productivity of capital in general. .. .VYeta
very slight examination will suflice to show the inadequacy of this
sxplanation.®
To raise the rate of interest by raising the productivity of capital is,
therefore, like trying to raise oneself by one’s boot-straps.®
Absence of interest is quite compatible with the presence of physicalproductivity,
 and . . . therefore whatever element is responsible for
the existence of interest in the actual world, that element cannot be
physical-productivity.?
The conclusion, therefore, from our study of the various forms of
the productivity theory is that physical-productivity, of itself, has no
such direct relation to the rate of interest as is usually aseribed to it;
and in the theories which we have examined, the rate of interest is always
 surreptitiously introduced.®
“Interest is due to the productivity of capital” .. . This proposition
looks attractive, but it is superficial . . . the superior productiveness
of roundabout processes of production . . . has no Dawer whatever to
ereate interest?

Now, however, instead of meeting the question directly, and reafirming
 his disbelief in the productivity theory, he seems to
surrender his position as the ensiest way of ridding himself of

* AMERICAN Ecoxwomic Review, Sept., 1913, p. 610.
"The Rate of Interest, 1907, p. 12.
&amp;gt; Idem, p. 15.
‘Idem, p. 22.
&amp;gt; Idem, p. 28.
*“The Impatience Theory of Interest,” Seientia, vol. IX, 1911, pp. 383, 384,
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        70

Frank A. Fetter ; [March

eriticism. He says that he pleads “not guilty to the charge of
neglecting the ‘productivity” or ‘technique’ element.” He speaks
of “the true way in which the ‘technique of production’ enters into
the determination of the rate of interest ;”! he says, “ ‘the pro-Iduetivity”
 or ‘technique’ element, so far from being lacking in my
theory, is one of its cardinal features ;”* and, again, “Produetivity
 has not been neglected in my treatment of interest.”
Now it is true that these somewhat general expressions alone
merely raise the reader’s doubts. For to say that he does not
neglect “productivity” or that it is not lacking in his theory does
not positively commit Fisher to belief in a productivity explanation
of interest as distincet from an essentially psychological explanation.
 But other expressions deepen the reader’s doubts, and suggest
 strongly that Fisher objects only to certain formulations of a
productivity theory, not to productivity theories on prineiple.
He admits‘” that in his book he has eritieised “£he ordinary“
productivity theories,” but says that he then “explained to the
reader that later in the book I would rebuild the “technical feature
which, in the theories of others, I sought to destroy.” Again'* he
speaks of his strictures on “the ordinary productivity theories,”
implying that some productivity theory or theories may be tenable,
Again he reproaches Professor Seager with being “open to the
:harge of regarding all productivity theories as alike sound in
principle” (implying that some are sound?). And he expresses
the belief that “every one who has read Böhm-Bawerk should believe
that the ordinary, or as Böhm-Bawerk calls them, the ‘naive’ productivity
 theories are snares and delusions.?$
These passages taken by themselves give the impression that the
author is at heart as good a productivity theorist as any one; indeed,
 he collates them himself, seemingly, for the purpose of
producing just this impression. "This clearly is out of accord with
the spirit and letter of much else that Fisher has said in denying
productivity as a causal explanation of interest. "The most lenient
interpretation is that Fisher is here speaking in the spirit of an
earlier statement :**
® American Economic Review, Sept., 1913, p. 610.
“ Tdem, p. 610,
3 Jdem, p. 611.
® My italics throughout.
*Idem, p. 611.
“Tdem, p. 617.
® The Rate of Interest, v. 251.
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If after all has been said and understood, any one still prefers to
call such a loan “productive,” no objection is offered, provided always
‘hat it is made wholly clear what is meant by the term “productive,”
Here it seems clear that Fisher did not think the term productive,
 which he carefully enclosed in quotation marks each time, was
a fitting adjective for such loans, made by borrowers for the purpose
 of gaining a profit. In his reply to Seager, however, Fisher’s
mood is all for so emphasizing any earlier statement of the tolerant
sort as to make it appear that he does not deny the productivity
theory of interest. He cites several passages in his earlier writings
in which he has used such expressions as “the elements of truth
contained in the claims of the productivity theories.”!” He says:
“It was through mathematics that I saw the nature and importance
 of productivity in relation to interest,” giving the impression
that he at one time disbelieved in productivity as a causal explanation
 but had come to see his mistake. He says that his book “was
written expressly for that purpose (rendering of the technique
element).!® Despite his ability to adduce these evidences of his
innocence of the charge of disbelief in the productivity interest
theory, Fisher is penitent for not having made his position clearer.
He declares that he has himself “to blame” “for the mistakes he
(Seager) has made.” He concludes this recantation :*
I ought, I doubt not, to have put forward the productivity element
more prominently and with less avoidance of the term “productivity.”
[ remember consciously avoiding this term so far as possible lest the
reader should associate my theory too much with the many false thepries
 of productivity.®
The most clear-cut evidence that he cites from his writings to
prove that he never intended to deny the validity of the productivity
 theory per se is this:?! “Again I specifically stated (The
Rate of Interest, p. 186) : ‘But while the slowness of Nature is a
zsufficient cause for interest, her productivity is an additional
cause.”” A phrase which might have been deemed an oversight
when taken in connection with other earlier statements, is here
deliberately reaffirmed, and casts doubt upon the meaning of much
of Fisher’s previous writings. Just what is his position on the productivity
 theory? His recent apology, appearing at the same time
” AMERICAN Economic Review, Sept., 1913, p. 612,
w Tdem, 613.
# Idem, p. 617.
» My italics.
n Tdem, p. 612.
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that his colleague, Dr. H. G. Brown, publishes an elaborate defense
 of an eclectie productivity theory, is most disappointing to
the group of true psychological interest theorists in America who a
few years ago welcomed Professor Fisher as an accession to their
ranks, and who still cherish the hope that, after he has fed for a
time on the husks of the produetivity theory, they may greet him
again as a returning prodigal.
I. Origin of the capitalization theory.
As a basis for further discussion, a brief review must be given
&amp;gt;f the origin and main features of “the capitalization theory” of
interest as I had developed it several years before the publication
of Professor Fisher’s theory of interest in 1907. My attention
was drawn to the subject repeatedly between the years 1895 and
1900 while I was studying the theory of distribution; and in an
article on the capital concept, in 1900, I said:
I would not exaggerate the significance of the change here proposed
in the capital concept, yet it would be folly to ignore the consequences
its acceptance would involve for economic theory . .. The current
theories of land value, of rent, of interest, to a greater or less extent
rest on the unsound ideas which have been criticised throughout this
paper. On another occasion the writer will attempt to state the outlines
 of an economic system of thought in harmony with the capital
soncept here presented.??

Again, in a paper presented the same year at a meeting of the
American Economic Association, it was said among other statements
 pointing in the same direction:
With this change [of the capital concept] must go a change in the
whole conception of interest, which likewise is connected in the still
gurrent treatment with a factor that has been produced by labor. The
multitudinous and naive inconsistencies of the older treatment became
apparent when viewed in the light of the later value theory.
The doctrines of rent and interest as currently taught are hopelessly
entangled in these old and illogical distinetions. The two forms of
seturn for material goods must be considered as differing in modes of
zalculation, not as to kinds of agents and as kinds of return. The object
 of this paper may now be restated , . . to show the necessity of
rewriting the theory of distribution along radically new lines... and
‘he acceptance of doctrines, the readjustment of which is shown to be
inevitable.23

#3 “Recent Discussion of the Capital Concept,” Quarterly Journal of Ecowomics,
 vol. XV (Nov., 1900), p. 45.
% Proceedings of the Thirteenth Annual Meeting, Dec., 1900, “The Next
Decade of Economic Theory,” Publications of the American Economic A280-eiation,
 3d series, vol. 2, DD. 240, 246.
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73

More than a year later, in reviewing some essays by Böhm-Bawerk,**
 I said:
Great as have been the services of our author in stimulating to clearer
and deeper thinking in economic theory, his presentation of a Capitalsiheorie
 evidently is not destined to be a finality. Some development
it is sure to undergo, and is undergoing. And that development lies
along the lines of a value concept as opposed to a cost-of-produetion
eonceDpnt.

Again in the same year, at the conclusion of a eritical article
on Böhm-Bawerk’s theorv :?

Let us venture an opinion as to the nature of the dificulty and
‘he direction that must be taken to reach a- correct solution. ...
Let us suggest the view that rent and interest are very dissimilar aspects
 of the value of goods. Rent’® has to do with “production”
of scarce and desirable uses of things. To the interest theorist this is
in the nature, one might almost say, of an ultimate fact. The interest
theory begins with the valuation of these different rents or incomes,
distributed through different periods of time. The “productiveness’ of
a material agent is merely its quality of giving a scarce and desirable
service to men, To explain this service of goods is the essence of the
theory of rent. Given this and a prospective series of future services,
however, the problem of interest arises, which is essentially that of
explaining the valuation set on the future uses contained in goods. Interest
 thus expressing the exchange ratio of present and future services
or uses is not and cannot be confined to any class of goods; it exists
wherever there is a future service. It is not dependent on the roundaboutness
 of the process; for it exists where there is no process whatever,
 if there be merely a postponement of the use for the briefest
period. A good interest theory must develop the fertile suggestion of
Böhm-Bawerk that the interest problem is not one of product, but of
‘he exchange of product,—a suggestion he has not himself heeded. It
must give a simple and unified explanation of time value, wherever it
is manifest. It must set in their true relation the theory of rent as
he income from the use of goods in any given period, and interest as
che agio or discount on goods of whatever sort. when camnared throughyut
 successive periods.
A year later, in 1908, I outlined the same conception of a
:horoughgoing psychological analysis, and for the first time gave

* “Einige Strittige Fragen der Capitalstheorie,” Political Seience Quarterly,
7ol. 17 (Mar., 1902), p. 173.
* Quarteriy Journal of Economics, vol. 17 (Nov., 1902), p. 179.
“The reader will observe that the term rent was there used in the more
general sense of the income from the use, or the usance, of agents, not merely
in the sense of contractual rent. This particular terminology which was due
to the influence of J. B. Clark, has since been modified, not to weaken but to
strengthen, the conception involved.
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the name of “a theory of capitalization” to the proposed treatment
of what usually is called “economic interest.????

Another solution may be found by combining into a logical system
‘he three typical modes in which goods appeal to wants. F irst, goods
appeal directly as want-gratifiers immediately available. Here is
cequired a theory of wants and enjoyable goods, and the technical
analysis of marginal utility. The mental process here examined is
chronologically the first stage of evaluation, in the history both of the
individual and of the race. Secondly, goods appear as more or less
durable, and may be made comparable by being considered, through
repairs, to be lasting use-bearers, yielding in a given short period a
group of uses. Here is the place for the theory of rents. This is
chronologically the second stage of evaluation, when durable goods are
thought of and expressed in terms of their usufructs, Thirdly, whenever
 two non-synchronous gratifications, rents or series of rents, are
exchanged, they must be discounted to their present worth to be made
comparable. Here is required a theory of capitalization, that is, of
economic interest. This is historically as well as logically the latest
stage of evaluation, characteristic of a developed money economy and
of a “capitalistic”” era. These three phases must be observed in every
complete analysis of value.
In an elementary textbook published in 1904 (The Principles of
Economics) this conception of the interest theory was embodied,
not as a thing apart from, but as an integral part of, a general
theory of value. "This mode of treatment, though new,?* was not
labeled with a distinctive name, and, being presented in an elementary
 text, has doubtless remained unread by many economists, and
its true import unrecognized by some who have read it.
As is shown in the passages cited above, my conception long has
een that in the analysis of the value problem the value of enjoyable
 goods must be first considered; that this should be followed
 by the valuation connected with the physical productivity
of agents; and that only after full consideration of income expressed
 in psychic terms, in physical terms, and in monetary terms,
Ss it in order to take up the theory of time-value, which is then

” Publications of the American Economic Association, 3d series, vol. V, in
4 paper on “The Relations between Rent and Interest,” p. 197.
% Believing this conception to be logically involved in much of Böhm-Bawerk’s
 argument in his critical volume, “Capital and Interest,” I credited
him with “the fertile suggestion” (see above, p. 73, quotation from the article,
“The Roundabout Process”). But he has not accepted this interpretation;
indeed, this would invalidate the greater part of what is distinctive in his
positive theory of the roundabout process, to which he adheres without change
in the latest edition. 1912.
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:o be developed as the basis of capitalization of incomes and of a
resulting rate of contract interest.

III. Positive statement of the capitalization theory.
Accordingly, in my text, the first forty pages are devoted to
psychic income and to the process of valuation which results in a
price of things considered as directly enjoyable objects of choice.
In the next division, comprising ncarly sixty pages, is taken up
the physical productivity of wealth, the uses of goods, and the
valuation of those uses. Contract-rent is here based upon the
valuation, to individuals, of the productive uses of durable agents,
Just as contract-price is based upon the valuation of enjoyable
goods. A hundred pages were thus given to explaining as well as
[ was able to do it in a first sketch of the theory of distribution
for elementary students, what income is, and how income arises,
50 that it may be the object of choice and of exchange. In the
next division (Capitalization and Time-value) I discussed, in
seventy pages, the various problems of value that arise from a
comparison of goods in point of time. I treated capitalization
as the problem of valuation of durable agents, and developed &amp;amp;
theory of the rate of interest: on contract loans based on this
zonception of capitalization.
For the reader unacquainted with the capitalization theory, its
essential features may be here outlined. At the outset let us seek
to avold the confusion caused by the. use of the word interest in
two senses, first, of a payment for contract loans made in terms
of money, and, secondly, of the difference in value between like
goods available at different times. Economists have of late genarally
 recognized these two meanings, and have sought to distinzuish
 them by the terms contract and economic interest,”® Though
such a terminology is an improvement upon the old, it leaves an
ambiguity that continually reappears in the discussion. I therefore
 used the word interest solely in its original and still almost
universal commercial sense of contract-interest, and I used the term
time-value to designate the other problem of “economic” or “implicıt”
 interest.®®

» Fisher prefers to call the one explicit and the other implicit interest.
However, throughout his book he uses the phrase “the rate of interest” almost
if not exclusively for contract interest, and other terms, such as rate of
preference, time-preference, etc., when implicit interest is meant.
% Other expressions, to designate various aspects of the same problem, used
in my Principles of Economics (1904), were “choice between different values,”
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Seeing the two problems as in large measure distinguishable,
and seeking for the logical starting point in the study, I asked:
Which of these two questions was prior in history and which is
primary in logic? In both cases the answer was time-value. "The
canon of priority in economic reasoning applied here: whichever of
two interrelated problems or mutually acting forces can be thought
&amp;gt;f as existing without the other, must be primary in the explanation.
 A rate of interest on money loans would be anthinkable if
there were no differences relative to time in the estimates men
placed on some goods available at different points of time. On
‘he other hand, the use of money and the practice of borrowing
and lending in terms of money are of comparatively recent origin;
and the estimate of time-value today is thinkable, and is actually
made, apart from the use of money or from any act of borrowing
or exchange between persons, It must always have been found, as
it now is in countless cases, in an impersonal relation between man
and objects. Further, I applied the same test to determine the
priority of capitalization and the rate of interest on loans (taking
sapitalization to mean simply putting a valuatien, a present
worth, upon a more or less durable group or source of incomes).
The usual view has been that capitalization is subsequent to a rate
pf interest. But capitalization, as the process of putting a present
worth upon any durable source of wealth and thus discounting its
future uses by the act of exchanging it for other things, must have
occurred many times before a rate of contract interest existed.
This process surely occurs now in many cases without previous
reference to such a rate. If, however, the less erude view he taken,
that the interest problem studied is economic interest (time-discount)
 rather than contract interest, it is clear that this also is an
aspect of the capitalization rather than antecedent to it. "This
rate of discount (“implieit” or “economic interest”) is in itself
nothing but an arithmetic reflection, in no sense causal, of the
preference implied in the valuation of goods. Robinson Crusoe,
in his individual economy, must, by his choice of goods which embody
 uses maturing at different periods, wrap up a scale of timevalues
 which only later, if ever, except in a very vague form, app.
 104; “difference in want-gratifying power,” p, 144; “time-difference” ; “timediscount”;
 “the rate of time-discount,” P. 145; “estimate of time value,” p. 145;
“a choice between present enjoyment and future provision,” p. 146; “a premium
 rate on present goods,” p. 146; “the exchange in time-valuation,” p. 146;
“preference of the future over the present,” p, 158; “the preference of present
over future,” p. 159.
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pear as an arithmetic rate. "The primitive economy in its choice
of enJoyable goods of different epochs of maturity, in its wars for
the possession of hunting grounds and pastures, in its slow aceumulation
 of a store of valuable durable tools, weapons, houses,
boats, ornaments, flocks and herds, first appropriated from nature,
and then carefully guarded and added to by patient effort—in all
this and in much else the primitive economy, even though it were
quite patriarchal and communistic, without money, without formal
'rade, without definite arithmetic calculations, was nevertheless
sapitalizing, and therefore embodying in its economic environment
a rate of premium and discount as between present and future.
This, then, is the essence of the capitalization theory of interest
as nearly as we can put it in a proposition: The rate of interest
(contractual) is the reflection, in a market price on money loans,
of a rate of capitalization involved in the prices of the goods in the
community. "The price of durable agents is a capitalization which
involves a discount of their future uses, and this is logically prior
to the rate of contract interest. The logical order of explanation
is from numberless separate acts of choice of goods with reference
fo time, to the value (and prices) of durable goods embodying future
 incomes, and finally to the market rate of interest.*! "This
interest theory was new in its order of development from elementary
choice; in the priority it assigned to capitalization above contract
interest; in its unified psychological explanation of all the phenomena
 of the surplus that emerges when undervalued expected incomes
approach maturity, the surplus all being derived from the value
af enjoyable (direct) goods, not by two separate theories, for
consumption and production goods respectively ; in the integration
of the interest theory with the whole theory of distribution; and
'n a number of details necessarily related to these features.

* When, however, attention is given to the details in the modern loan market
following the action of this man or that, or studying a temporary situation
such as a sudden demand for loans on the occasion of a war or in a financial
panic, we break into the explanation at a different point. The change in the
immediate status of the loan market is reflected in widening circles and for a
time affects the capitalization of much of the wealth in the economy (of the
nation or of the world). This and many other needed interpretations are
briefly indicated in my elementary text. It is fundamental to the conception
of the capitalization theory, however, that these impulses from the money
market are not, as they superficially appear, primary or causal in a theory
of interest, in the same sense as is the preference in time for enjoyable goods
and the resulting level of capitalization. See especially chs, 17-19, in my
Principles of Economics, 1904.
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A just opinion of the newer theory is possible only to those who
are willing to re-think the fundamental economic concepts. The
change in the interest theory is only a part of the general reformulation
 of distributive theory which has been under way for a third
of a century. It is to be understood only in that light.
IV, Some dificulties in Fisher’s impatience theory.
From the standpoint of the capitalization theory, the various
questions raised in the discussion between Seager and Fisher and
in Professor Brown’s paper, appear from a new angle. It seems
to be a different standpoint from that of Fisher, although at times
he may appear to hold it. It is true that in his work The Rate of
Interest (1907), in which his theory was first presented, he introduced
 his “first approximation” with a chapter on time-preference,
which he declares to be “the central fact in the theory of interest,”
giving in a footnote without comment at this point®* a page reference
 to my text. He says that “the income concept plays the
central role.” But he treats capitalization as subsequent to a
rate of interest, saying :*

When any other goods than enjoyment incomes are considered their
values already imply a rate of interest. When we say that interest is
the premium on the value of a present house over that of a future house
we are apt to forget that the value of each is itself based on a rate of
interest. We have seen that the price of a house is a discounted value
of its future income. In the process of discounting there lurks a rate
of interest. The value of houses will rise or fall as the rate of interest
falls or rises. Hence, when we compare the values of present and
future houses, both terms of the comparison involve the rate of interest.
If, therefore, we undertake to make the rate of interest depend on
the relative preference for present over future houses, we are making
it to depend on two elements in each of which it already enters,
And again he says: “The value of the capital is found by
taking the income which it yields and capitalizing it by means of
the rate of interest.” Still later he writes:*® “Capital value is
merely the present or discounted value of income. But whenever
we discount income we have to assume a rate of interest.”
From the moment Fisher begins his first approximation®” he
2 The Rate of Interest, p. 88.
%Jdem, p. 88.
*Idem, p. 91.
5 Elementary Principles, 1912, p. 229.
% Idem, p. 336.
The Rate of Interest, D. 117.
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takes his standpoint in the money market and supposes an existing
rate of interest to which rates of time-preference of individuals
are later brought into conformity. His treatment throughout is
of the actuarial, mathematical type, concerned with the explaining
and equalizing of incomes which are assumed to be present, I
feel as strongly as does Professor Seager the neglect, in this treatment,
 of the element of productivity in accounting for the existence
of the incomes.“®” From my point of view the dificulty appears to
inhere in Fisher’s general conception of the problem.® I differ
from the productivity theorist, however, in looking upon the interest
 problem as that of explaining not the existence nor yet the
magnitude of those incomes, but the rate of their valuation to the
valuation of the capital sum (principal) to which the contract rate
(percentage) refers.
I share with Seager the opinion that there is no “sovereign virtue
 in mathematical modes of thought” which safeguards the mathematical
 economist from error, Indeed, there seem to be characteristic
 mathematical illusions.
I share Seager’s doubt of the aptness of the proposition that
impatience is “a fundamental attribute of human nature” or is
3 AMERICAN Ecowomic Review, Dec., 1912, pp. 836-837.
My purpose, in large part, in calling attention to my mode of approach
to the interest problem as outlined above, is to show that the psychological
theory, in its original form, is not open to the criticism which Seager forcibly
directs against Fisher, “that he dissociates his discussion completely from any
account of the production of wealth.” To be sure, Fisher’s reply begins with
a categorical denial, “I did not dissociate” (AmErıcan Economic Revızw,
Sept., 1913), but he immediately admits that in his “first approximation” the
income streams were “temporarily assumed.” And while in his larger theoretical
 book, he believes that “this assumption gives place to the more complicated
 conditions of the actual world,” when he comes to the second and third
approximations, he confesses that those complications were, “for the most part,
omitted (as too dificult and controversial)” from the elementary book.
Seager’s comment (AMmzEricaN Economic Review, Sept,, 1913, p. 618) is pertinent:
 “A methodology that causes an author to drop out an essential link
when he tries to restate his theory in elementary form seems to me to be
almost self-condemned.” At this point may be recalled my own critieism of
Fisher’s treatment of capital in his Capital and Income. Reviewing this in
the Journal of Political Economy, March, 1907, vol. 15, P- 147, I spoke of a
“certain isolation in Fisher’s capital theory. He began the analysis and reconstruction
 of the capital concept as if it were a task apart from the theory of
distribution as a whole. . .. The capital theory presented has therefore a certain
character of intellectual aloofness that leaves it out of touch with the larger
theory of distribution, of which it should be but one part.” The same eriticism
Applies in general to The Rate of Interest, published a year later.
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“the essence of interest,” though my doubts are for a different
reason.‘° It is interesting to notice that Fisher himself did not
seem to hold this view when he wrote The Rate of Interest, in 1907.
He saı1d +41

It shows also that the preference for present over future goods of
like kind and number is not, as some writers seem to assume, a necessary
 attribute of human nature, but that it depends always on the
relative provisioning of the present and future.
In an article in 1911,* he for the first time used the term impatience
 in this connection, which he confesses is but a “catchword”
 in place of time-preference. With this change of name has
gone a change in the conception of the thing designated.

In my own book, T’he Rate of Interest, for instance, this term was
unused because unthought of, and the clumsier and less explanatory
;erm ‘“time-preference” was employed instead. The proposal to employ
 the term “impatience”” is here made for the first time. , . . Impa--ience
 is a fundamental attribute of human nature.

In 1912,* he restates the same view: “It [impatience] is a
fundamental attribute of human nature. . . . Interest is, as it
were, human impatience ecrystallized into a market rate.”
My objection to this change of terms is that if the new word is
more “catchy” it is less fitting than the word it displaces. Impatience
 is freighted with suggestions of “eagerness for change,
restlessness, chafing of spirit, fretfulness, passion” (Webster).
Time-valuation or time-preference better expresses the complex of
motives which at one time impels men to get goods earlier, and
again lcads them to postpone use by storing goods and by working
 for the future in many ways. A prevailing rate of interest
is the resultant of all kinds and degrees of time-preference in a
community, preference for goods in the future in some cases as well
as preference for goods in the present, and it seems a great straining
 of words to attribute the resulting rate of interest to impatience
alone. Patience, self-denial, the quality expressed in the old term
abstinence, have a no less important part in the explanation.
Let us pass with brief mention the question which takes up a
zoodly space in Seager’s eriticism and in Fisher’s reply—whether
individuals are able to, and actually do, bring their “rate of im-“

 Seager, AMERICAN Ecowomic Revızw, Dec., 1912, p. 835,
“The Rate of Interest, p. 184.
2 «The Impatience Theory of Interest,” Scientia, vol. IX, p. 387.
@ Elementary Princinles, pvp. 371.
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patience” (time-preference) into exact accord with that implied
in the market rate of interest. Seager did well to question the
statement, and Fisher’s concessions on this point do not leave very
much in dispute. The individual brings his rate of time-preference
into accord with the market rate, so long as that adjustment yields
him an advantage, and so far as he has something to exchange,
can furnish security, or is not hindered by fricetion in other ways.
Within the larger national economy, there are many imperfectly
connected, provinecial, class and family groups living in diverse
economic conditions, and having diverse capitalization rates. In
the central credit-market, as in the simplest typical price problem
of the sale of commodities, we may always conceive of some exeluded
 would-be buyers, and likewise sellers, who remain outside
the limits of actual trading because valuing their purchasing power
and the sale-goods in a ratio which gives no margin of advantage
at the market Driece.

V. Physical- and value-productivity distinguishein.
The more serious theoretical issue involved here is the ground
of Seager’s objection, which Fisher does not touch in his reply.
It is that the technical productivity of agents is the cause of the‘
impatience. Seager says:**
So far as I can see, with the technical superiority of present over
future goods, or the productivity of capital, absent, the question as to
whether interest would continue or not is an entirely open one. , . Is
it [time-preference] not rather a result of the present industrial organization
 of society arising chiefly from the fact that capital plays
such a tremendously important role in production and that, under the
system of private property in the instruments of production and free
zompetition, capitalists can secure a return corresponding, at least
roughly, to the part of the value-product that is economically imputable
to the assistance which their capital renders? "That is the view of the
productivity theorists.
Whereupon Seager enters into a defense of the productivity
theory, via a direct denial of Böhm-Bawerk’s eriticism of it as
adopted by Fisher.“
Seager’s argument at this point seems, indeed, to imply, as Fisher

* AMERICAN Economic Review, Dec. 1912, pp. 841-842.
® Fisher has followed Böhm-Bawerk in presenting objections to the producvity
 theory in terms that logically invalidate every productivity theory and,
apparently, is again following his example in withdrawing the objections in
so far as they apply to any but the naive theories. (See above, pp. 70-71.)
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says,“ that Seager regards “all produetivity theories as alike
sound in principle.” Seager’s opinion has, however, an element of
progressiveness in it, for he says that nothing has shaken his “confidence
 in the essential soundness of the productivity-theory
explanation of interest, when presented not as the complete explanation
 but as the necessary supplement to the discount theory.“
He suggests in his explanation (also eclectic) of the way in which
expenses of production and prices are related, that it is “nearer
the truth to say that prices . . . determine the expense of production
than the reverse.” Yet he concludes,“® “the chain of causation is
not straight, but it turns upon itself in a eircle.” He seems about
to avow the same doctrine of coördinate rank and mutual influence
as between technical productivity and time-preference, but he turns
to the view that the part of productivity is in a fuller sense causal
and primary, and that time-discount is the resultant of this.“ He
declares that it is borrowers’ “demand for capital growing out of”
che productivity which is “the positive, active influence determining
 interest.”
The capitalization theorist is compelled regretfully to reject
he compromise involved in this enlightened eclectieism. For this
is the way Seager begins his indication of what his theory “does
and what it does not involve 50

It starts out with the proposition that entrepreneurs desirous of
making profts by supplying goods at current prices compete against
one another for control of the factors necessary to production. "This
competition tends to keep their own profits down to a large or small
“wages-of-management”” and to force them to pass along as the remuneration
 of the factors which they hire, subject to this deduction and to
a deduction for the replacement fund, the total price which they
receive for the things which they sell. It is, therefore, contended that
it is the part these factors play in production as compared and measared
 by the entrepreneurs that determines the shares of this total price
that are assigned to them. The part that capital plays presents two
aspects: that of capital goods available at a given instant of time, and
‘hat of the purchasing power tied-up in these capital goods during the
period that they are performing their productive funetion. In relation
:o the first aspect, entrepreneurs appear as buyers. Normally, under
conditions of free competition, the prices which they must pay for capial
 goods conform to their expenses of production. In relation to the
%* AMERICAN Ecowomic REvıew, Sept. 1913, p. 617.
# Idem, Dec., 1912, p. 849.
® Idem, p. 845.
® Idem, p. 848,
% Tdem, D. 847-848.
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second aspect, entrepreneurs appear as users of capital. How much
interest they can afford to pay for such use, entrepreneurs estimate
through comparing the productive services of capital goods at current
prices with the productive services of workers, who at some points are
interchangeable with capital goods, at current rates of wages. Through
these comparisons the general rate of interest, so far as it depends upon
the demand for capital for use in production, is determined.
Space does not permit of detailed comment to show that almost
every sentence of this argument clashes with the physical productivity
 theory.
The productivity of which use is made when the explanation is
really begun is not technical or physical productivity at all, but is
the capacity which goods bought with judgment at current prices
have, in the hands of enterprisers, of yielding a net surplus, sufficient
 not only to remunerate them, but to Pay contract interest
to lenders. The amount of interest which “enterprisers estimate”
they can afford to pay (ie., the maximum amount) is the difference
 between the discounted, or present, worth of products imputable
 to these agents and their worth at the time they are expected
to mature. The prices of the agents, which are the costs, involve
(not presuppose) a rate of discount. As was said in my text:*
When the agent is bought outright, the very concluding of the bargain
 fixes a relation between the expected value of the income and’ the
value of the capital invested. In other words, the exchange of durable
agents virtually wraps up in them a net income which it is expected
will unfold year by year when rents mature and are secured.
Undoubtedly, at this point is the crucial test of the competing
theories, Is it productivity of agents that makes business men
willing to borrow and pay interest? Could they afford to pay
interest varying with the time element, if the value of the productivity,
 however large or small, were not discounted in the price
&amp;gt;f the agents they borrow (or buy with horrowed money)? I think
not. Seager says:”
It is their [the business men’s] demand for the savings of others for
ase in business enterprises that causes the balance always to be on the
side of a positive rate of interest.
But this demand cannot reasonably begin unless there is already
a balance on the side of a discount of values of the future uses of
agents. Viewed from the standpoint of the capitalization theory,
‘he causal order is the reverse of that of the produetivity theory.

" The Principles of Economics, 1904, pP. 127,
23 AMERICAN ECoxwoMic Rezvızw, Dee., 1912, p. 838.
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Of course, there must be future expected uses, (incomes), that is,
productivity, as there must be men, if there is to be a valuation
process, and as there must be some social organization if there are
to be markets and prices. But if the future value of the products
were not discounted, there could be no rate of interest,
It varies with the magnitude of the time-discount at which borrowers,
 on the whole, are able to buy the title to the future products
 ; and time-discount varies with changes in the whole complex
economic situation, of which technical Productivity is but one
element, others being forethought, provision for needs in accordance
 with a prevailing standard (itself a complex thing), social
and moral ideals, political conditions, etc., ete. It is the opportunity
 which the possession of ready money gives to the enterpriser
to buy goods at a price involving a discount proportional to the
futurity of the expected returns, that makes him willing to contract
to pay interest. When these expected returns (the products) do
appear in the course of time, their value-magnitude is, or should
ve, greater than was their investment magnitude, and it is out
9f this value-surplus, directly conditioned on am antecedent disount
 of the value-productivity, that contract interest is paid.
Before leaving this phase of our subject, let us look at it from
one more angle, in the hope that some reader may find this a more
helpful point of view, My contention throughout has been that
the productivity theory in any of the versions known to me, and,
specifically, in the entrepreneur version, defended by Seager, involves
 a confusion between physical-productivity and value-productivity
 ; that in the course of the reasoning there is a shift from
the one idea to the other. Seager admits that this confusion “has
sometimes occurred,”””* but he believes that there is a “necessary
or logical connection between Physical-productivity as a general
phenomenon of capitalistic production and value-productivity.”
To bridge this logical gap seems to him, however, to be so simple
a task that express proof of it may be assumed “to be superfluous,”
for he thinks it is merely “an obvious deduction from the accepted
principles in regard to the determination of exchange values and
prices.” His proposition, therefore, is substantially this:* "The
capital (agents) by virtue of its technical Productivity here and
now, produces more goods, and these goods have (when commodities
 generally are considered, and not some exceptional commodity)

” AMERICAN EcowomMmIic REvızw, p. 842,
* Tdem, pp. 842-843,
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85

a greater value than the goods which would have been obtained
without the capital. Hence, Seager concludes:
Admitting the physical-productivity of capital . . . the value-productivity
 ... or more accurately an increase in the total value-product
as a consequence of the assistance which capital renders to production
seems to me to follow as a logically necessary consequence.
Here, where Seager would expect dissent, I readily agree; but
hasten to add that fhis value-productivity is not at all fhat of
which the productivity theorist speaks in his interest theory. Here
we are saying merely: If agents used at this moment produce more,
the products (speaking of the general and usual result) have more
value here and now than the products that could have been obtained
without the help of the productive agents. But the value-produetivity
 which furnishes the motive to the enterpriser to borrow and
gives him the power, regularly, to pay contract interest, is due,
not to the fact that these products will have value when they come
into existence, but to the fact that their expected value is discounted
 in the price of the agents bought at an earlier point of
time. "The two relations are in different planes. Itis a problem of
two dimensions which may be represented as follows:

A (Physical-productivity)

synchronous
relation

, Time ;
C (Capitalization)................B (Value-productivity)
relation

Present

FTFature

The modern productivity theorist assumes as quite obvious the
value-productivity B, as derived synchronously from the physical
productivity A, but he ignores the problem of the discount relation
in time between B and C. The pseudo-value-produetivity assumed
in the productivity theory of interest is all, however, involved in
the unexplained discount relation between B and C, not in the
identity relation between A and B. "This is the petitio principü of
the theory.
The valne-surplus referred to is that part, imputable to, and
varying with, the time element, and not that due to the peculiar
commercial skill, or to the luck, of the enterpriser, in finding unusually
 low valued agents in one place, or unusually high' valued
products in another, If one did not bear in mind the complex
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character of the gross income “profits,” one might be tempted to
exclaim: If the enterpriser must pay as interest the whole amount
involved in time-discount, he never would have a motive to borrow.
It is just here that appears so Plainly the middleman’s character
of the productive borrower. "The rate of interest is a market price
at which (security, ete., equalized) the individual borrows; but
those with superior knowledge and superior foresight are able to
buy-in one economic group and to sell their products in another,
to buy “underestimated” goods and to find a favorable market for
highly esteemed products. They are merchants, buying when they
can in a cheaper and selling in a dearer capitalization market,
acting as the equalizers of-rates and prices. It is the mercantile
function everywhere to do this. So we must dissent again when
Seager says :®
And it is this demand for capital growing out of the important role
capital plays as a factor in production, that is the positive, active in-Auence
 determining interest, in the same sense that utility may be said
to be the positive, active influence determining value.
Rather, this demand for capital determines interest in the same
sense that the merchant’s demand determines the wholesale price of
merchandise, he merely judging and transmitting to the wholesaler
and manufacturer the ultimate consumer’s demand for various
goods. In this case, the middleman’s demand for capital (that is,
for loans) is a reflection of the time-valuation of consumers as
smbodied in the prices prevailing in the markets for goods.
Professor Seager seems so near at times to abandoning the costof-production
 theory of prices with which the Productivity theory
of interest is related, and has contributed such valuable and needed
zriticism to the present discussion, that it is to be hoped that he
may yet bring his powerful aid to the capitalization camp.

VI. The capital concept in the interest theory.
The difficulty of seeing the capitalization problem in a broad
way, as something touching all sources and groups of income, is,
however, insurmountable so long as one adheres to the old concept
of capital Seager uses capital” “in the sense of the produced
means of further production,” and distinguishes land and capital
as two groups of concrete objects, one of which owes its value to

® See above, pp. 77, 83-84,
® AMERICAN Ecoxomic Revızw, Dec., 1912, p. 848,
7 Tdem, D. 844.
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nature, and the other to labor. It is, of course, futile to attempt
here a restatement of the reasons, negative and positive, against
this view. "They have been pretty fully stated elsewhere, Seager
seems still to conceive of the interest problem as connected only
with produced means of production, as did the older English
economists, and as all productivity theorists incline to do. This
inclination is found along with a treatment limited mainly, if not
entirely, to contract interest.
But how can the “economic interest” aspect of the problem be
limited to the income yielded by tools and machines? Why is not
this problem presented in the case of incomes from land (or from
an orchard, to which example Seager objects as not being typical
of all forms of capital)? How account for the capitalization of
this land and of this orchard? By applying a rate of interest derived
 from the money market as Fisher would seem to do, or a rate
taken from the market for the loan of purely “produced” capital
zoods (whatever that may mean)? Cannot unproduced agents be
capitalized unless the rate of discount is first discovered by making
produced goods? Is not a capitalization rate conceivable in a
community where land is the only form of wealth that is bought
and sold? If so, then the thought is not avoidable that a rate of
interest on contract loans to purchase land may prevail, reflecting
this implied rate of capitalization—the chance for profit operating
as a motive for the loan just as it does in manufacturing and commerce.
 Is interest not connected with a loan of money to buy
“natural” agents as fully as with that to buy “artificial” agents?
An answer to these questions inevitably carries one into the atmosphere
 of the capitalization theory, where the arbitrary limitation
 of the interest problem to loans made to buy “produced”
agents becomes unthinkable.
But there is still the old question, how account for the tendency
of profits (in the old broad sense of the term, including interest)
toward equality; how explain the fact that on the average, though
with many exceptions and fluctuations, the rates of profit to be had
by productive borrowers in the various industries do not get so very
far apart? "There is the old explanation of cost-of-production
of capital, upon which the latest productivity theorists still rely,
and there is the capitalization theory. Both of these concede a
place to the enterpriser. In the older view, the place is worthy
to be called causal, in that, when any agent yields an abnormal
return, he produces more agents, by incurring “costs” (which are
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either assumed to be fixed or are left quite unexplained), putting
the price of more labor and materials into them and thus bringing
their price into conformity with other agents of the same cost.
The citadel where the productivity theorist feels his position to be
impregnable is just here, in the thought that the amount and the
value of “capital” (produced agents) is “brought into conformity
with the expense of producing them,” thus regulating the interest
rate. Seager is on familiar ground when he says:
Since there is nothing in the assumption that the productivity of all
instruments is doubled that involves any serious change in the expense
&amp;gt;£ producing the instruments. ®
We must dissent. "The doubling of the productivity of all agents
alike would have very diverse effects upon the prices of the various
enjoyable goods, and these prices would be reflected in the valuation
 process to the prices of the different natural sources and of
all other agents, thus altering greatly the whole scale of costs in
“producing” more agents.
But is this not a recognition that technical productivity has
some influence upon the comparison of present and future gratifications,
 and hence upon the rate of interest? Surely, some influence
 it has, but the causal order of explanation is very different
from that of the productivity theory. Technical productivity is
one of the facts, physical, moral, intellectual, which go to make up
the whole economic situation in which time-preference is exereised.
That this, however, is not going over to the productivity theory
of interest is shown by the fact that it points to an opposite conclusion
 as regards the resulting rate. "The greater provision for
present desires thus made possible leads us to expect a reduction
of the preference for present goods and a lowering of their valuation
 in terms of future goods. "This (other things being equal)
would be reflected in a lower rate of time discount and a lower, not
a higher, rate of interest, as the productivity theorist believes.”
May we not then conclude that the cost-of-production-of-capital
explanation of interest is a partial glimpse of an intermediate and
subordinate process of the adjustment of prices, in part a mistaking
 of effect for cause? It assumes a dual theory of investment
prices; some prices are explained as due to demand and others as
Jlue to cost. "The prices of the factors (materials, tools, labor)

®% AMERICAN Ecowomic Review, Dec,, 1912, p. 847.
”On this Fisber has taken a position in accordance with the capitalization
;heory. See American EcowomIc Revızw, Sept., 1913, p. 614.
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are taken as a basis from which to calculate the rate of interest, a
sort of turtle’s-back (as in the ancient theory of the universe) on
which the giant, Entrepreneur, stands while carrying on his back
the burden of interest.
The capitalization theory views the causal order very differently.
First, time-valuation being embodied in durable agents with incomes
 extending over a period of time, becomes the capitalization
of agents containing future uses, this involving a rate of timediscount.
 "This, in a market with exchange, becomes price, which
is cost to the enterpriser seeking a profit by buying these factors,
combining them more or less with his own services, and selling
them. "This process. is constantly levelling down inequalities in
capitalization as between different commodities and markets. All
men together are helping to evaluate all of the economic goods in
the community. Within this larger circle of explanation, the part
of the enterpriser is secondary and intermediate. He does not
represent any additional “technical productivity” cause, coming
in alongside of the psychological explanation of interest, The
chance of income for himself exists before he makes a move, partly
because the future incomes have already been discounted (the pure
capital-income aspect), and partly because all agents are not diszounted
 at any moment at exactly the same, or exactly the right,
rate (the commercial profit aspect). It is because of the chance
of private profit already inherent in the situation that the producer
is led to act in his intermediary capacıty.

VII. The same dificulties again.
The article by Professor H. G. Brown,® a former pupil and
present colleague of Fisher, appeared almost simultaneously with
Fisher’s concessions to the produetivity theory. Professor Brown,
agreeing almost completely with Seager, formulates an eclectic
theory.

The position taken by the present writer is, that productivity and
impatience are coördinate determinants, Ze., that productivity is as
direct a determinant of interest as is impatience, and that productivity
nay be, in a modern community, the more important determinant.®*

% Cited above, p. 68. ,
= Quarterly Journal of Economics, Aug. 1913, p. 634. Here impatience
and. productivity are said to be coördinate determinants, though productivity
may be the more important; and again, page 645, impatience is said “to enter
into the chain of cause and effect” in a certain connection “as effect rather
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At every point where Professor Fisher is at his best, and rejects
productivity “as a direct acting cause,” Professor Brown disagrees
with him, and accepts productivity. Vet the article is marked by
a number of just observations and seems at one point to touch
ıpon the truth of the capitalization theory :*
We may say that a person’s valuation of capital, along with the
valuations of other persons in like situation, is less the direct result
of the previously existing market rate of interest, than it is, by affecting
 his and their attitude towards the market, a determinant of the
tate of interest.
But the argument on the whole is on the plane of that conception
of productivity criticised above. Every feature of the old argument
 is reproduced. "The explanation is hardly begun until the
productivity is assumed to be a five per cent, a ten per cent, or a
twenty per cent productivity. Per cent of what? Of the capital
valuation, or the prices at which the borrower can buy the agents.
Productivity in what way? In that the present prices, being the
discounted value of the incomes that are expected, emerge at their
maturing value as time elapses. "The discount-rate involved in the
capitalization is the “rate of productivity” which appears again
and again in the argument. "The borrower pays contract interest
of five per cent only when he thinks he sees the opportunity to get
this increment and something more for his trouble. Simple and
true as an explanation of why men borrow at a rate of contract
interest related to the prevailing rate of time-discount, but no
proof whatever that the rate of interest is due to technical
productivity.
Here, as always, the productivity theorist looks at the proximate
influence, not at that one step removed; examines the middleman’s
motive, and ignores the ultimate consumer. The productive borrower
 is but the intermediary, transmitting to the market of consumers
 through the agency of prices, the effects of time-preference.
Forgetting the motives and influences of the really determining
zroup of minds, Professor Brown looks only at the “productive”
borrower and says: “In what possible sense can it be said that he
borrows only because he is impatient?”® “All question of imthan

 cause”; and, finally, page 650, impatience “is also, to some extent, a joint
sonsequence, with interest, of the other cause, the superiority of indirect
production.”
3 Quarteriy Journal of Economics, Aug., 1913, p. 644.
B Tdem. D. 638.
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patience aside” ;** “For even those [productive borrowers] who are
not by nature impatient” etc.® Professor Brown shows well‘® the
inaptness of the word “impatience,” but his argument is futile as
a refutation of a true psychological theory, for he is quite
overlooking the substance, while he rchases the shadow, of
time-preference.,
This motive to borrow exists as well when the agent to be bought
with borrowed money is land, as when it is another agent. But
just here® Professor Brown withdraws to the citadel, the cost-ofproduction
 of capital, as that which tends “to fix the rate of
interest and of discount.” He reaffirms the
importance of the. distinetion which Professor Seager has recently emphasized,
 between land and made capital, between original natural
resources and “the produced means to further production.” Land is
already present. For the most part, there is no balancing of choice as
:o whether or not we shall produce it.
What is the force of “already present”? Does “for the most
part there is no balancing of choice” etc., mean that the way we
use land has not affected its quantity in the past, and does not
affect it for the future, either as acres or as productive power? In
‘his day of the conservation and reclamation movements, are we
to forget the part of repairs and depreciation, and assume the immutability
 of acres, arable and other kinds? Is there not involved
in any standard of husbandry where soil-fertility is maintained, an
adjustment of the cost-of-production and of the capitalization of
sach arable acre to its price based on its expected return quite as
*his is done in the case of factories ?®®
It is not for us here to discuss further the older conception of
zapital here involved. We had supposed that it had become unthinkable
 in the atmosphere of Columbia and of Yale, under the
inffuenees of J. B. Clark and of Irving Fisher.

VIII. Summary.

Surely we are making some progress in formulating more clearly
‘he issues involved in the interest problem. "Che opinions we have
reviewed face in at least three different directions, not squarely
“ Quarterly Journal of Economics, Aug., 1913, p. 639.
®Idem, p. 640.
% Tdem, p. 637.
" Tdem, p. 644.
%® Professor V. G. Simkhovitch’s illuminating article on “Hay and History,”
in the Political Seience Quarterliy, Sept., 1918, gives new evidence of the effect
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opposing each other.®® Seager and Brown stand together on one
side of the circle of opinion, glancing now and then with one eye
at a psychological explanation (for consumption loans) and with
the other eye fixed most of the time on the enterpriser-productivity
explanation. They are not far away from Böhm-Bawerk, who is
likewise eclectic; but their conception of productivity goes little
farther than the personal enterpriser, whereas Böhm-Bawerk seeks,
though vainly, in his roundabout theory, to extend his explanation
formally to the impersonal productive powers in the agents.
Nearly opposite them stands Fisher, directing his attention mainly
upon the market for money loans, but giving many glances before
and after to the psychological causes, in accord with the capitalization
 theory. "The capitalization theorist at another point in the
circle is faced directly toward the psychological explanation of
interest, and sees the other features of the picture in due perspective
 to this central fact.
Seen from any of these standpoints, the interest paid on consumption
 loans is and must be explained in purely psychological
terms. "The capitalization theory, alone, is not eclectic, and explains
 interest on consumption and on production loans, in the
same psychological terms. It alone sees the enterpriser’s part
embraced within the larger circle of time-preference, and explains
interest on productive loans as but the reflection of the time-preference
 in the minds of the great body of buyers in the community,
xhose representatives and intermediaries the enterprisers are.
FRANK A. FETTER.

Princeton University.

apon agricultural industry of enlarging man’s power over the production of
fertile and arable qualities in land.
% A different conception, apparently a unique variation of the enterpriserproductivity
 theory, is the dynamic theory of Professor Schumpeter, as presented
 in his Theorie der Wirtschaftlichen Entwicklung, 1912, and reviewed at
length by Böhm-Bawerk in the Zeitschrift für Volkswirtschaft, 1913.
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