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Senator Reep. How do we know that it gets a fairly accurate dis- 
tribution as between the southeast and northwest Europe? Is it not 
only the national-origins figures that we get that? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir; that is the only way we do get it. 
Senator Reep.” And is it not a fact that the national-origins figures 
for those two great groups were used by the advocates of the 1890 
census as a temporary basis to justify the position that they took? 
Mr. Lroyp, That is my understanding. 
Senator Reep. Who first suggested that temporary basis, do you 
recall ¢ 
Mr. Lroyp. No, sir; I do not. : 
Senator Reep. Was it not Professor Garis, of Vanderbilt Uni- 
versity? 
Mr. Lroyp. I could not say—I think it was. 
Senator Regp. Is he available here as a witness? : 
Mr. Lroyp. No; I do not think we have him to-day. 
The Carman. Just as a matter of curiosity, who first suggested 
the national origins as contained in the law? 
Senator Reep. I think I am the culprit there. 
The Cmarman. You? 
_ Senator Reep. I think so. But Professor Garis, I notice, has 
Just published an article in the Saturday Evening Post last month in 
which, after stating that it was he who first suggested the 1890 basis, 
says very frankly and gererously that he prefers the national origins. 
The CuarmMaN. Are there any other questions to be asked of Mr. 
Lloyd? [After a pause.] If not, a lady, Miss Gurnee, is very 
anxious to leave and is anxious to be heard. Is that satisfactory to 
you? I think she desires to present the side of the case that is 
presented by Mr. Lloyd. 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir. 
The Cuamrman. If the lady desires to be heard, we will hear her 
briefly. State. if vou please, your name and whom you represent. 
STATEMENT OF BELL GURNEE, REPRESENTING NATIONAL CIVIC 
FEDERATION. WOMEN’S DEPARTMENT 
Miss Gurnee. My name is Miss Gurnee, of the National Civic 
Federation, the women’s department. 
The Cramman. Now, if you will state what you wish, so that the 
reporter may get it, if you please? 
Miss GURNEE, Miss Maude Wetmore, our chairman, called me up 
yesterday from New York and asked me to put our organization on 
record for national origins. We have been on record for national 
origins since the beginning, and we studied it at the time that the 
1924 bill was being prepared and knew all about it when it was first 
introduced, and felt what Mr. Lloyd and Senator Reed have said, 
that it seems to be a sound, permanent, and fair basis. 
As a matter of fact, our race is going to be replaced by another 
race if the present act is not put into effect. It may take several 
centuries, but we have some right to preserve our race and culture. 
This is an Anglo-Saxon country, run on Anglo-Saxon principles, and 
a great many disadvantages will occur if another race tries to run 
things. I think the breakdown of our jury system is a sufficient