32 NATIONAL ORIGINS PROVISION OF IMMIGRATION LAW 
The Crarrman. It is a matter of some indifference. Are there 
any other questions to be asked Mr. Lloyd? 
Senator Keyes. Mr. Lloyd, I understood you to say you were 
spokesman for several organizations Lo 
Mr. Luoyp, Yes, itv ico oo ener one Cee 
Senator Kiyes. Would you be kind enough to give a list of them? 
Mr. Lroyp. I think the chairman has been given a list. 
Senator Nye. Mr. Lloyd, you said that upon the inauguration of 
the 1924 immigration act you looked upon it as a thing which, when 
the national-origins clause finally became effective, was going to be 
a second Declaration of Independence? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes. 
Senator Nye. Did you know at that time of the existence in the 
law of the national-origins clause? 
Mr. Lroyp. In 1924? 
Senator Nye. Yes; when it was passed. 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes. 
Senator Nye. You had given it study and knew just how it was 
going to operate? 
Mr, Lroyp. I had not given it particular study, because at that 
time I was in Europe doing newspaper work. 
Senator Nye. Then, in other words, the law which established the 
1890 basis of quotas was regarded by you as being a second Declara- 
tion of Independence? 
Mr. Lroyp. Well, the 1890 basis is a temporary proposition, while 
the other matter was being worked out. 
The Cmamryan. Is it not a fact that it was the only proposition 
the public had any acquaintance with at all, or Congress at that 
time had any acquaintance with at all, for that matter ? 
Mr. Lroyp. I could not speak for Congress; and, as far as the 
public goes, I think that ey were primarily interested in the sub- 
ject of restriction. But I think that they were also interested in 
the formula which was fair to all and bid fair to settle the question 
permanently for all time. I know that is what I heard about it in 
letters I got and reports, that the thing was of fundamental, far- 
reaching consequence. 
Senator Ny. You are going to ask to be heard again, are you, 
Mr. Lloyd ¢ 
Mr. Lovo. Yes, sir; I am just making a very short statement. 
The Crammax. Let me ask you this: You said you had the evi- 
dence before you of endeavors made by an alien society or a society 
with alien purposes? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir. 
The CrammaN. Will you present it? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir. I would rather not present it myself, because 
[ have a witness who has been more in touch and can do it better. 
The CrarMAN. Is that witness here? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir. But just before I introduce the witness 1 
want to emphasize this, that all of us here in this delegation are not 
asking for anything new. We simply want the law to be put into 
effect as it stands; we do not ask this for ourselves; we do not ask this 
for our relatives; and we do not ask this for our friends. We are just 
simply asking that this patriotic law be put into effect because we re- 
gard that as best for restriction, and restriction is the best for the 
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