36 NATIONAL ORIGINS PROVISION OF IMMIGRATION TAW 
Senator Rep. You said it discriminated against nationalities? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes. 
Senator Reep. Is there any reason why? 
Mr. Lroyp. It discriminates in favor of certain groups and against 
others; it discriminates in favor of the Germans and the Irish 
and against England, Scotland, North Ireland, and Wales, places 
from which most of the original stock of the country came from. 
We are not claiming that they ought to have more than their share of 
the quota, but we do not think they ought to have less. 
Senator Reep. You do not base your objection on any prejudice 
against particular nationalities, do you? 
Mr. Lroyp. No, sir. . 
Senator Rerp. I do not understand that you are finding fault with 
the Germans as immigrants. 
Mr. Lroyp. Not a particle. 
Senator Reep. Or Scandanavians? 
Mr. Lroyp. Not a particle. 
Senator Reep. Your attitude simply is they ought not to have 
more than their fair share, and they do have more than their fair 
share under the 1890 basis, do they? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir; that is it exactly. 
Senator Rep. Some mention has been made of Governor Smith’s 
attack on the 1890 basis in the last campaign. Do you recall whether 
or not it was attacked also in the House? 
Mr. Lroyp. The 1890 basis attacked in the House of Representa- 
tives? 
Senator Reep. Yes—or, you were not here at that time? 
Mr. Lroyp. I do not recall that. 
Senator Rep. My recollection is that at the time the immigra- 
tion law was under consideration it was very bitterly attacked by 
the Tammany representatives from New York, who claimed that the 
1920 census of foreign born was the only basis on which quotas 
should be rested. 
Mr. Lroyp. It seems to me if you are going to base quotas on 
foreign-born census it is going to be very difficult to resist the force 
of the appeal to bring the census up to date; and if you have to give 
in to that appeal on the basis of 1920 or 1930 census you are going to 
get much more than 50 per cent of the immigration from southern 
and east Europe, and you will have a total quota of immigration very 
much unlike the population of the United States. 
The Crarrmax. Is not that one of the reasons that was given for 
the adoption of the 1890 census? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir; that was one of the reasons given for that. 
The Cuamrman. In order to avoid what we are just suggesting. 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir; exactly. 
The Cratrman. And was not the entire argument that was made 
before the Congress upon the theory that in taking the 1890 census 
you were going to avoid the objectionable feature you have indicated ? 
Mr. Lion. Yes, sir. The 1890 foreign-born census basis does get 
a fairly accurate distribution of the quota as between the northwest 
and southeast Europe, but it gets a very inaccurate and wholly 
discriminatory basis of quotas as between the nations even——