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Mr. Lroyp. Mr. Chairman, as the witness may be interrupted, we 
have another witness, one who has made a study of that subject, and 
if the Senator would postpone his question, I think we could give him 
more information than Mr. Lewis is prepared to give. 
The Crarrman. Very well. 
Mr. Lewis. I do not want—-— 
The Cramman. I am sorry to interrupt you. 
Mr. Lewis. It is all right. I am glad to be interrupted, if I can 
help in any way. 
Senator Reep. Mr. Lewis, I think some of us do not understand the 
drift of your statement with regard to this Irish Catholic question. 
What does it all lead to? 
Mr. Lewis. I was going to lead just up to this, that here is Pro- 
fessor Shaughnessy, who 1s a representative historian of his church, 
who estimates that the number of Irish Catholics in 1790 was 100,000 
to 150.000. Now, then, the origin committee shows the figure of 
140,000 for South Ireland. Well, sir, gentlemen of the committee, 
there is abundance of testimony that almost all of the Irish Catholics 
were from south Ireland, and the Protestants were from Ulster; 
in fact, Mr. Shaughnessy utilizes in his book, as proof of his division, 
say, 400,000 for the Protestant Irish and 100.000 to 150.000 to the 
Catholic Irish. 
He cites several books, one by Prof. Henry Jones ¥ord, of Prince: 
ton University, who wrote the book The Scotch-Irish in America; 
another by Charles A. Hanna, The Scotch-Irish; and he also refers 
to Arthur Young, a great English traveler. who wrote A Tour in 
Ireland. 
Arthur Young’s book was written in 1780, just 10 years. before 
the census of 1790 was taken, and in that citation from Young by 
Shaughnessy, Young states that the Catholic Irish never went to 
America. 
Henry Jones Ford states that there was very little immigration 
from outside of Ulster until after the War of 1812. I think that the 
testimony is very clear that the Protestant Irish who came to the 
United States were the Protestant Irish who came from Ulster, and 
the Catholic Irish were those who came from the south; and when 
Binnginany gives a figure of 100,000 to 150,000, and the origin 
committee figures it at 140.000. it 1s pretty clear that there is no 
dispute on that group. 
Then, let us take the German group—— 
Senator Rerp. First, how i] in the German group dees the 
national-origins quota board state? 
Mr. Lewis. About 231,000 in 1790, 
Senator Reep. How many do they themselves claim? 
Mr. Lewis. Well, Albert Bernhardt Faust is professor of German 
at Cornell. He is a recognized scholar, and a recognized historian 
of German-American population, or population of (German origin 
in the United States, and he has written a book called The German 
Element in the United States. He estimates the number in 1790—— 
Senator Regp. Excuse me. What is the title of the hook and when 
published ? 
Mr. Lewts, The title is The German Element in the United States, 
and published by Houghton-Mifflin Co. in 1909.