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Myr. Lewis. No, sir; I am not aware of that fact. 
Senator Corrraxp. Is that disputed in the committee? 
The Cuarrman. I do not know. 
Senator Reep. I do not remember the exact figures, it is approxi- 
mately that. 
Mr. Lewis. It is 65,894 for England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, 
and the quota for Germany is 23,000 and something. 
Senator CopeLanp. Anyhow, so far as continental Nordic races are 
concerned, a Swede would have two-fifths of a chance of coming to 
the United States that an Englishman had. 
Senator Reep. That is comparing the quotas to the total present 
population. 
Senator CoPeLaND. And a Norwegian would have two-thirds of a 
chance to come an IEnglishman has; a German would have one-fourth 
of the chance. Of course, when we come to Italy and southern 
Europe, an Italian would have one-tenth to come that an Englishman 
has. 
Senator Rexp. An Irishman would have five times as much chance 
as an Englishman, if you want to carry it on. 
Senator Coperanp. Since the Irish fought (in) the Revolution, 
{ suppose they should be entitled to a very large proportion. 
(Laughter. ] 
Mr. Lewis. Now, sir, I have thought many times, I have given 
nearty, sincere study to the question of arriving at these quotas. 
Your question would seem to imply, sir, that you would base it on a 
comparison of the European countries, and on that basis Asiatic 
China would get most of this. Of course, China is excluded territory. 
Senator CopeLanp. You may make any conclusions you like. Of 
course, you are presenting your own conclusions, not mine. 
Senator King. You are making an attack in view of your last state- 
ment, on methods. 
Mr. Lewis. No, sir; I am not. 
Senator King, Why did you mention as a parallel case China? 
Mr. Lewis. I can not base it on the population of foreign countries; 
Russia has a tremendous population. We would not let Russia get 
seven or elght times what other countries get. 
Senator CoperLanp. You are afraid a statement of these figures 1 
have given may cause some criticism of the national-origins plan? 
Mr. Lewis. No, sir; I am not. 
Senator CoPeLAND. And therefore you seek to beat them down by 
saying we should bring in ten or fifteen times as many Chinamen as 
we do Englishmen. 
Mr. Lewis. I think there are about four methods I can think of for 
basing quotas. One is on the size of the population of the foreign 
countries, which it seems to me is simply a grab bag; there is no 
sense or reason 1b it. no basis in our countrv for it. You take 
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Senator CoreLaxp. Would not a better plan be to take a man who 
was worthy of our citizenshiv. regardless of the country from which 
he came? 
Mr. Lewis. I think it leads into insolvable difficulty, if you are 
zoing to base it on worth. 
Sopgior Corperaxm It would be quite desirable to have it on 
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