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Mr. Bacumann. That is in the beginning, and in accordance with 
‘he civil service laws to appoint. 
Senator Wagner. Yes; that is the Federal Secretary of Labor; it 
has nothing to do with the apointment of State officers. 
Mr. BacamannN. Where is it provided in this bill that the States 
san appoint the personnel of the State offices? 
Senator WaeNER. Because the State conducts its own State 
:xchange. 
Mr. Bacamann. If that is the intention of the bill, then there would 
be no objection on your part, as the author of the bill, to our incorpor- 
ating in there for the State to select the personnel of its office, that 
hey are at liberty to select whom they please, regardless of the civil 
service law? 
Senator WagNER. Of course; but first let me ask you to do this, 
Congressman, to read the bill carefully and see if you see any difficulty 
about that; because I do not see any difficulty about it. The only 
thing the State is required to do is to submit its plan to the Federal 
Zovernment, so that the Federal Government may know how its 
money is to be spent and to comply with certain requirements, such 
1s the collection of statistics. 
Mr. BacamanN. I am in sympathy with the purpose, all right. 
Senator WAGNER. Yes. 
Mr. Bacumann. I want to assist along that line, but the thing that 
was bothering me was some of the wording of this bill and I noticed, 
in three or four specific instances in here, you are very careful to say 
it must be done in accordance with the provisions of this act. Now 
it does not single out any provision; it savs all of them. 
Senator WAGNER. Yes. 
Mr. Bacumann. And I would be disposed to oppose the legislation 
if this bill would permit the Federal Government to establish these 
employment offices in all of the States and counties and political 
subdivisions and to put in there civil-service employees, when many 
of the States do not follow the civil service law. 
Senator Wagner. Congressman, I have had some experience in 
law and legislation and 1 will stake my reputation that under the 
provisions of this bill the States are unfettered so far as the policy 
they desire to adopt in the appointment of the employeesin the employ- 
ment exchanges is concerned—absolutely. And it is to meet what I 
feared was an objection to national employment exchanges throughout 
—the States’ rights objection—that I provided that this cooperation 
be secured by having the States do it all and to give Federal aid simply 
upon condition that certain things be complied with, namely, that we 
want the statistical information and, also, that the Federal Govern- 
ment take care of the placement between States—the clearing between 
States. 
Mr. Bacumann. I am clear as to the purpose of it; that is all right. 
Senator WAGNER. Yes. . 
Mr. Bacamann, The thing that is bothering me, that I am having 
lifficulty with, is the particular wording in this bill. 
Senator WasnNEr. There is not anything in here and I am sure if 
you will read it over, you will be staisfied. 
Mr. Bacumann. I will say to the Senator I have been over it two 
or three times and am still having some difficulty with it.