Full text : Report from the Select Committee on Slave Trade (East Coast of Africa); together with the proceedings of the Committee, minutes of evidence, appendix and index

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ON  SLAVE  TRADE  (EAST  COAST  OF  AFRICA).

Lord  Palmerston  instructed  Colonel
panierton  to  inform  the  Imaum,  “that  the  traffic
slaves  carried  on  by  his  subjects  was  doomed
.  destruction  ;  that  Great  Britain  was  the  chief
ffistrument  in  the  hands  of  Providence  for  the
^ccoinplishment  of  this  object;  that  it  is  useless
these  Arabs  to  oppose  what  is  written  in  the
;Pook  of  Fate  ;  that  if  they  persisted  in  the  conj^ûuance
  of  this  traffic  it  would  involve  them  in
j.^ouble  and  lossess  ;  that  they  had  better  theresubmit
  to  the  will  of  Providence,  and
abandon  this  traffic,  cultivate  their  soil,  and
Engage  in  lawful  commerce.”  I  have  always
peen  of  opinion  that  that  was  the  proper  view  to
57,5.  Nothing  having  been  done  to  carry  that
for  a  good  many  years,  do  you  think  it
^^'ould  still  have  the  same  effect^—We  might
^'^cll  say  to  the  Sultan  we  have  left  it  to  you  to
up  to  the  treaties,  and  to  abolish  this  horrible
^^^an  stealing  ;  you  have  not  done  it,  we  do  not
you  are  wilfully  and  knowingly  keeping  up
bis  slave  trade,  but  it  has  been,  chiefly  through
•6  instrumentality  of  the  English  Government,
^^^ppressed  in  every  other  country  in  the  world,
and  we  will  no  longer  allow  you  Arabs  to  be  an
^^ception.
576.  We  have  no  treaties  with  them  which
b^'ohihit  man-stealing  altogether?—No,  but  we
^pould  simply  say  we  will  not  allow  this  ;  I  think
•  ®  Arabs  quite  understand  that  way  of  putting
I  often  said  to  the  Sultan,  You  Arabs  come
^''vn  liQre  because  you  find  a  very  pleasant  and
^^Pile  country  preferable  to  your  own  barren
eserts,  but  that  does  not  give  you  any  right  to
^populate  half  Africa,  and  to  go  and  steal  the
Population  and  sell  them.
.  577.  You  consider  we  should  be  justified  in
^P^oyfering  with  a  strong  arm  in  the  interior  of
^fi'ica  to  prevent  the  stealing  of  the  natives  ?—
A  %eans  of  an  efficient  squadron  you  would  be
^0  so  to  check  the  trade  that  in  a  few  years  it
•  be  given  up  ;  we  could  not  interfere  in  the
oterior.
^78.  We  cannot  interfere  with  anything  except
foreign  slave  trade  ?—No.
gj  579.  They  are  entitled  to  take  any  number  of
necessary  for  their  own  use  under  our
j  P^by?—Yes,  as  long  as  that  treaty  is  in  exouce
  the  slave  trade  will  be  carried  on  to  a
^ptain  extent.
'j80.  You  think  it  is  absolutely  necessary  to
a  new  treaty?—Yes;  I  think  there  could
^0  more  favourable  occasion  for  proposing  a
çjj  treaty  than  the  present  ;  we  are  under  no
j^^hgations  to  Syed  Burgash.  It  may  be  said  that
^  rinder  obligations  to  us,  for  I  sent  him  under
^^di@h  protection  to  Bombay  ;  he  certainly  was
Pt  there  as  a  state  prisoner,  but  he  was  well
gg^^^^bed,  and  probably  by  his  being  sent  there  I
is  1  iÜG-  The  Arabs  now  see  that  slavery
^^^^Jished  throughout  the  United  States  of
^eioTu^^  j  the  Portuguese,  their  own  nearest
^^'^ru-s,  who  carried  it  on  in  a  most  shameful
I  way,  have  abolished  it  now  by  law,  and
^or  1  might  very  well  say  to  the  Sultan,  as
the  •  ^  ^imerston  says  here,  “  Great  Britain  is
^/^^^Wrnent  of  Providence,  and  it  is  written
of  Fate  that  the  slave  trade  shall
581^^^^^  means  of  stopping  it.”
have  been  told  that  there  is  aT  much
between  other  countries  and  Zan-^ith^
  liiere  used  to  be  ;  the  trade  is  principally
o  ®  Germans  and  the  French,  is  it  not?—

I  think  the  French  trade  has  died  out  very  much  ;
the  Germans  have  a  large  trade,  and  so  have  the
United  States  ;  I  think,  if  possible,  the  best
course  to  adopt  would  be  to  induce  all  the  foreign
nations  that  have  consuls  there  to  join  our
Government  in  putting  down  the  slave  trade  ;  I
do  not  see  why  they  should  not,  and  I  think  it
most  likely  that  they  would.
582.  Would  not  it  be  almost  necessary  to  get
them  to  join  with  us  ?—Yes  ;  very  great  mischief
has  been  done,  and  very  great  mistrust  has  been
instilled  into  the  minds  of  the  Arabs  by  foreign
merchants  ;  they  are  all  very  jealous  of  our  interference ­
  with  the  slave  trade".
583.  Do  you  think  the  Sultan  could  hold  his
own  now  without  the  profits  which  he  derives
from  the  exportation  of  slaves  ?—His  profits  on
slaves,  compared  with  his  other  means,  are  the
merest  trifle.  The  means  of  the  present  Sultan
are  very  much  greater  than  what  his  father  and
his  broiher  had.  Old  Syed  Seeed  had  to  keep
up  his  territories  in  India  and  in  the  Persian
Gulf,  in  addition  to  Zanzibar,  and  he  always  had
to  be  on  his  guard  against  the  encroachments  of
the  Wahabahs.  The  commander  of  Her  M  ajesty’s
ship  “  Imogene,”  which  visited  Zanzibar  in  1834,
stated  that  up  to  that  time  there  was  no  trade  at
all  scarcely.  It  only  came  to  be  anything  like  a
place  of  trade  after  the  late  Imaum  transferred
his  own  residence  there,  accompanied  by  the
British  consul.  It  was  the  presence  of  the  British ­
  consul  there,  and  the  feeling  that  tiiere  was
always  justice  to  be  had  where  there  Avas  a  British ­
  consul,  that  induced  a  large  number  of  our
Indian  fellow-subjects  to  go  and  settle  at  Zanzibar, ­
  and  they  have  created  the  trade.  I  think,
up  to  the  year  1838  or  1840,  the  revenue  the
Sultan  derived  from  customs  at  Zanzibar  Avas
only  50,000  croAvns  a  year.  In  1859,  the  farm
of  the  customs  Avas  196,000  dollars.  In  1870,  in
the  latest  return  from  Dr.  Kirk,  it  is  310,000.
Therefore,  in  10  years,  the  revenue  Avhich  the
Sultan  got  from  his  customs  Avas  increased  by
114,000  dollars,  or,  in  English  money,  about
24,000/.
584.  Mr.  Does  that  include  slaves?
—I  never  could  understand  Avhether  the  customs
master  included  the  slaves;  I  do  not  think  he
did,  because  the  profits  from  the  slaves  Avent  into
the  private  purse,  as  it  Avere,  of  the  Sultan.  At
any  rate,  the  trade  is  so  greatly  increased  that,  at
the  loAvest  estimate,  he  is  getting  uoav  24,000  /.
more  per  annum  from  the  customs  revenue  than
he  did  in  1859-60.  in  the  previous  10  years  the
increase  Avas  quite  as  much.  The  customs  are
farmed  to  an  Indian  Banyan  for  five  years  at  a
time,  and  almost  every  five  years  there  is  an  increase ­
  in  the  same  ratio.  ÑotAvithstanding  that
the  customs  master  pays  over  this  large  amount,
I  happened  to  make  the  Avill  of  the  old  customs
master,  and  he  left  3,000,000  dollars  in  hard  cash.
Old  Syed  Saeed,  the  father  of  the  late  Sultan
and  the  present  Sultan,  though  he  had  an  immense
establishment,  and  a  family  of  over  20  children,
left,  I  do  not  know  the  exact  amount,  but  it  must
haAm  been  several  millions  of  dollars.  As  far  as
the  resources  of  the  Sultan  go,  they  are  ample  to
keep  up  the  Government  there.
585.  You  think  he  is  not  at  all  dependent  on
the  sum  he  receives  from  slaves?—Not  in  the
slightest  degree  ;  he  has  large  estates  in  Zanzibar
Avhich  are  becoming  every  year  more  productive.
The  late  Sultan  Avas  put  to  great  expense  in  paying ­
  these  northern  Arabs  ;  he  Avas  afraid  of  them  ;
F  3  he

Maj.  Gen.
P.  Highy.

20  July
1871.
            
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