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officer so cautious as Brigadier Coghlan were 
Blade known to the British nation, not a voice 
^ould be raised against so small an acknowledg 
ment to Zanzibar as 8,500 I per annum for the 
attainment of so noble an object as the extinction 
of the East Indian African Slave Trade.” 
^46. Mr. Crum-Ewing.That does not con- 
femplate the payment of the full amount of 
20,000/.?—No ; but that was 10 years ago, and 
pi’obably the slave revenues have greatly in- 
oreased since then. 
247. Chairman,^ We had it in evidence on 
Monday that all that the Sultan of Zanzibar had 
^ right to, under his treaty, was the introduction 
pf slaves for the service required in Zanzibar 
Itself ; and it was stated that for that purpose 
ri700 slaves per annum was the outside quantity 
j'oquired ; if that is the case be must derive a 
large revenue from an illegal slave trade, in 
volving, as has been stated, the sacrifice of half 
^ Bullion lives in five years?—Yes; I would 
only recommend that he should be compensated 
for the surrender of the legal traffic, 
248. Mr. Kin7iaird.~\ Supposing that policy to 
be adopted, and the slave trade to be put down,’ 
you would save the amount that would be in 
curred in compensation by the withdrawal of the 
squadron ?—Y es. 
249. Putting it as an economical arrangement, 
It is by far the cheapest thing to pay him this 
Compensation ?—Yes, I have always thought so. 
250. Mr. Crum-Eicmg.~\ Do you think the 
Multan of Zanzil ar could put down the slave 
trade if he were willing to do so without the 
assistance of the squadron ?—No, he could not. 
251. Mr, Fowler.~\ Do you think that in 
three or four years he would be able to do 
Without the squadron?—Yes, if the suppression 
the slave trade were done gradually and not 
hastily, and if steps were taken at the same time 
to import free labourers into Zanzibar, the thing 
Blight be done in time without damage to com 
merce, or the internal industry of the country. 
252. Sir .7. The expenditure of 1,500/. 
Wdiich you have just alluded to is entirely inde 
pendent of the expenditure on the squadron ?— 
entirely ; the recommendation of the Slave 
■frade Committee that sat at the Foreign Office, 
that as a beginning the establishment at 
^^Bzibar should be increased, because we wanted 
fo put some vice consuls or agents upon the main 
f^nd, so as to superintend the emigration, and 
on, and that the cost of this increased establish 
ment should be fairly divided between the Indian 
Government and the Imperial Exchequer ; it 
Was supposed that what is now 2,000/. a year. 
Would be increased to about 3,000/. a year, and 
the proposal was, that the two Governments 
should divide the latter amount fairly between 
them. 
253. The difficulty which the squadron has to 
^Bcounter, as I understand it is this, that the 
t^^^^for of domestic slaves along the coast within 
c legal limits, covers the illegal transport of 
® ^ves to foreign countries ?— That is the diffi 
culty. ^ 
254. That being so, your proposition is, that a 
Cum by way of bonus should be paid to the Sul- 
an of Zanzibar, as a compensation for the aboli- 
mn of the present legal traffic in domestic 
f ^wes, so that the legal traffic in slaves should 
y Bceforth be no cover for the illegal traffic ?— 
ÇS ; I should recommend that a sum should be 
paid to him equivalent to what he 
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gams in 
revenue on the slave traffic not ¡nohibited by 
treaty. 
255. Have you considered what that sum 
would be ?—No ; I am very imperfectly ac 
quainted with the details of the slave trade itself, 
but I believe it is generally considered that the 
amount of the subsidy of 8,000 /. which he pays to 
the Imaum of Muscat, would about cover what 
he would lose ; so that if he were freed from 
the payment of this 8,000 /. to the Imaum of 
Muscat, he would be in a position to abandon the 
revenue to which I have referred, so I con 
sider in round numbers about 8,000 /. would be 
the right amount ; that is about the sum re 
commended to be paid him by Sir George Clerk 
in 1860. 
256. You think there is no reason to suppose 
that it would be require 1 to be larger now ?— 
No, I think not, because some agents of the 
Sultan of Zanzibar were in this country two or 
three years ago, and they hinted that if the 
Sultan was relieved from the payment of the 
subsidy, he would be able to carry out the wishes 
of the British Government. 
257. Is any part of the expenditure which is 
required for the maintenance of the squadron 
employed in the suppression of the slave trade 
borne by the Indian revenue ?—I know we pay 
a fixed sum towards the support of Her Majesty’s 
ships in the Eastern seas, viz., 70,000/. per 
annum. 
258. That is not specially applicable to the 
slave squadron ?—No, it is for the entire maritime 
defence of India. 
259. Would the Indian Government be pre 
pared to make a larger contribution than that 
70,000 /., with the view of increasing the 
squadron on the coast of Zanzibar, and thereby 
hastening the suppression of the slave trade ? 
—I cannot answer that question. I do not think 
we would like to pay any more th m the 70,000/. 
we now pay, considering that in addition to that 
we have to pay for our own tran ports. 
260. Mr. Kevnmray.'] Have any instructions 
been issued to the Government of India, with 
regard to the continuance or discontinuance of 
the subsidy ?—The last instructions which went 
out to the Government of India, with regard 
to the subsidy, have not yet been acknowledged 
by the Government of India, but the matter 
stands at present in this position. It is fair to 
state that there is a great difference of opinion 
between the different authorities with respect 
to the maintenance of the subsidy. The Go 
vernment of India are strongly of opinion that 
we should maintain the subsidy, and that it 
would be a great breach of faith to release the 
Sultan of Zanzibar from the payment of it, while 
the views generally of Her Majesty’s Govern 
ment are, I think, that the Sultan of Zanzibar 
should be released from the payment of the 
subsidy. Under these circumstances tbe India 
Office has suggested that an officer of high rank 
and experience should be sent out to inquire into 
the state of affairs, and to bring about some 
amicable arrangement between the Sultan of 
Zanzibar and the Sultan of Muscat, which should 
be a permanent arrangement. 
261. Did I rightly understand you to say, that 
the Treasury having refused to bear any part of 
the expenses of the Zanzibar agency, the Indian 
Government were about to send instructions to 
the agent to discontinue his endeavours to sup 
press the slave trade ?—We have written to the 
c 2 Foreign 
Sir 
J. W. Kaye. 
13 July 
1871.