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Report from the Select Committee on Slave Trade (East Coast of Africa); together with the proceedings of the Committee, minutes of evidence, appendix and index

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Author:: Goldberger, Ludwig Max http://d-nb.info/gnd/117548804

Title:: Das Land der unbegrenzten Möglichkeiten

Edition:: Achte Auflage

Place of publication:: Berlin

Publisher:: F. Fontane & Co.

Year of publication:: 1911

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64 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE SELECT COMMITTEE Sir ly, Coghlan. <24 July 1871. 894. Supposing its reconsideration came before the Imperial or the Indian Government, do you think it should be decided on its own merits or mixed up with the slave question?—On its own merits, I think ; though I was reporting on the slave traffic, my principal business was the ad justment of affairs between the two Sultans. The slave traffic was merely a matter thrown .in. 895. Mr. Kinnaird!\ It was not for want of representation, I think, from the Indian Govern ment that that opportunity was missed ; it was the Home Government who neglected the oppor tunity ?—I understand (in fact, some papers were sent to me on the subject) that the Governor General decided that it must be paid. 896. His view being that it was a dynastic arrangement ?—Yes. 897. When you returned to Aden, in 1863, three years subsequent to your report, did any additional evidence come before you at all to alter your report?—Nothing at all: in fact, the only way in which the question of the slave trade was mentioned to me on that occasion was by a complaint from some of the native merchants, who said that their traffic was interfered with by the cruisers ; they did not complain of the opera tion of the law ; they did not complain of vessels being interfered with which really carried slaves; but they said, in some cases, vessels which car ried no slaves were condemned, and with them all evidence of their character ; therefore, they said we are afraid to send our ships to sea. 898. Do you believe, from your residence in the East, that a very large legitimate trade would grow up, if the slave trade was put down?—I have no doubt that there would be a large de velopment of trade on that coast. 899. Have you any suggestions apart from your report to make, as to the best mode of sup pressing the slave trade ?—Obviously the first would be to get the Sultan of Zanzibar to cancel the treaty by which he is allowed to carry slaves within his own dominions. 900. If he agreed only to have one port of export, which could be watched, would not that greatly facilitate the suppression of the trade ?—It would be still better to have none ; Sultan Majid, the one who died a few months ago, agreed with me that it should be so; he said, I will do anything you please, only I request you to remember that this forms a sixth part of my revenue. 901. If our Government undertook to free him from that liability to pay 8,000 Z. a year, would he agree to the treaty being altered, and abolish the slave trade?—I should, think he would for less than that ; he said to me that this formed one-sixth part of his revenue; say that 19,000 slaves were imported into Zanzibar ; upon that 19,000 he got two dollars a head, that is 38,000 dollars, that would be 7,000 Z. or 8,000 Z. 902. Would that, in your opinion, be a very good mode of stopping the slave trade ?—I think so ; General Eigby is a better authority upon that subject than I am. 903. Would not the relieving him from the payment of the amount of the subsidy be much cheaper than keejiing a large squadron on the coast ?—Yes. 904. Mr. ./. Talhot.~\ Would it prevent the necessity of keeping a squadron on the coast?— Perhaps not altogether, because people would be found to break the law ; in fact, Europeans would do it. One of the greatest slave trafficker^ of my day was a Spaniard ; I saw his vessel cap' tured with^860 slaves on board. 905. Mr. Crum-Ewing.~\ Where was he taking them to ?—I saw the vessel just after she wa= captured at the Mauritius. 906. Were they taking them to Cuba?—Yes. 907. Mr. Kitinaird.l What date was that?— About August or September I860; she was ^ large ship, captured by the Brisk.” 908. Have you any reason to believe that ther® is even now a trade in slaves from the East Coasl of Africa to Cuba ?—I have no means of forming an opinion upon that. 909. Sir J. Hay.~\ Is not the great difficult) in stopping the slave trade there more than any other place ; the difficulty in distinguishing between domestic slaves and slaves intended fot sale in foreign ports ?—That would be a difficult)' to naval officers, but during the time that I w»’ at Aden there was no difficulty of that sort! almost all the country craft that came into tb^ harbour were navigated by slaves ; we nevot thought of interfering with them ; but if a vessel had come in with slaves for sale, we should nt once have seized her, 910. Mr. Crum~EwÙ7g.'\ You are of opinio^ that we cannot terminate the subsidy now paid to the Imaum of Muscat ?—I think not 911. Is there no termination to it at all?-" When I made the award, I looked to a perio«^ when the two Governments would fall into onO hand as before, under the father; that was alwa)'^ looked to as a possible contingency. That, oí course, would have smoothed the difficulty oí once. 912. Mr. jP. TVynd]iam.~\ Do you think thoi the Sultan of Zanzibar is likely now to be satis' tied with the same sum that you think wouD have satisfied him previously as a compensatio^ for giving up the slave trade ?—I think so. ^ found him tractable. 913. You have no reason to believe that tb^ trade is more valuable to him now ?—No. 914. Mr. Crum-Eicirg.~\ The Imaum of MuS' cat would look to the Sultan of Zanzibar in tb^ first instance for the payment of his subsidy?-^ Yes; there is no longer an Imaum of Muscat! he is the Sultan of Muscat ; of course he wouD look to his brother, but it is morally guarantee*^ j by the British Government. 915. Mr. Kennaway.'] Did the Sultan of ZaH' zibar, in any conversation he had with you with reference to the slave trade, contemplate the po5' ' sibility of its being put down ?—Yes, I put tb^ : question to him, and you will find a reference it in my report. 916. Did he see any difficulty in its being pn^ down ?—No ; he said I will do whatever yo^l please, only give me your support, by which 0* course I understood he meant money. 917. Chairman.'] Not merely moral support- ' —No ; I quite understood he meant by that, that ' he wanted to be indemnified. 918. Mr. Kennaioay.] Would he have be^^ satisfied with a few old arms ?—No, he had pleut) of them. 919. Chairman.] Ig there anything you w'isb to add to the evidence you have given ?—I lua/ mention that, so far as the native chiefs withi*^ t the Gulf of Aden are concerned, I made a treat/ with, I think, every one of them ; I visited evef)

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