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Senator Rep. I think the contrary is the fact. I think that it is 
hespoken for several years in advance, that is, applicants. 
Mr. Ripper. That has not been the impression we have had from 
the figures. I do not know. 
The Cuarrmax, I think you are in error there. 
Mr. Ripper. You think that there are more required ? 
The Cmairman. I do not think there are. 
Senator Nye. There are not more required. 
The Cmarrman. What I say to you is that substantially every 
quota is more than full. 
Mr. Ripper. Is that true of the British quota? 
The Cmairman. Yes. 
Mr. Roper. It is true of the German quota, is it not? 
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. 
Senator Rrep. Their quota is more nearly sufficient to take care of 
the applicants. 
Mr. Roper. I would like to call attention to one incongruity in 
this whole thing. It deals with Great Britain and Ireland. Imagine 
if conditions in England and Scotland were so there would be no 
immigration into the United States. Under this present proposed 
yuota law, you could take 77,000 immigrants from the north of 
[reland and about 15,000 from the south of Ireland. 
Senator Rep. Excuse me. I think your figures are perhaps inac- 
curate. The national origins. 
Mr. Roper. What is the total for Great Britain and Ireland? 
Senator Rrep. I was just about to say that the national origins 
quota for Great Britain and northern Ireland as reported in Xeb- 
ruary, 1928, is 65,894. 
Mr. Roper. And the Irish Free State? 
Senator Reep. And the Irish Free State 17,427. 
Mr. Ripper. Roughly about one-sixth? 
Senator Reep. Oh, no. 
Mr. Ripper. A little over a third or a quarter. 
Senator Reep. About a third. 
Mr. Roper. Would it not be unfair to take from the northern part 
of Ireland about three times as many people as from the southern 
part of Ireland. It is incongrous; it is one of the things that will 
not happen, but it could happen. 
Senator Reep. It would be strange to take the whole German 
quota from Saxony, but that will not happen? 
Mr. Ripper. It could happen. 
Senator Reep. It could happen; yes. 
Mr. Roper. It would be like saying that you should take 55,000 
from Saxony and 17,000 from Germany. 
Senator Reep. But I think your argument applies as much to 
Germany as Great Britain. 
Mr. Riper. Certainly, the whole basis is wrong. That is our 
point. Immigration ought to be based on something different from 
an occurrence of a hundred years ago, even if you could definitely 
ascertain what that occurrence was. 
Senator Reep. Do you think it is fair to base quotas only on the 
foreion born—the foreign-born citizens and the unnaturalized aliens