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country, which is our only concern; and on that subject we invite 
comparisons with organizations which have appeared or will appear 
on the other side. } oo 
Senator Nye. Do you question the patriotism of the two late can- 
didates for President of the United States? 
Mr. Lioyp. No, sir. 
Senator Nye. Do you not suppose there must have been some real, 
genuine, patriotic reason that caused them to advocate the repeal of 
the national-origins clause? 
Mr. Lroyp. I would not say that it was a patriotic reason. I think 
that national origins, as 1 said earlier in my opening. has been a 
subject of such misrepresentation—— 
Senator NYE. You do think it was a sincere belief on their part 
that the national-origins clause was not in keeping with the public 
interest ? 
Mr. Lroyp. I should suppose so. 
Senator Rerp. You would think, also, it was a patriotic reason that 
inspired Governor Smith to denounce the use of a census 38 vears 
old? 
Mr. Lroyp. He had a well-meaning motive in that. 
Senator Reep. And you imply from that. I suppose. as I did. that 
he disapproved of the 1890 census ¢ 
Mr. Lroyp. I certainly did; and his own paper, the New York 
World, immediately saw the implication that what he ‘meant was to 
abolish these quotas founded on the 1890 census and bring it to 1920 
and 1930; and even the New York World, his own paper. said this 
would not do. 
The CratrMaN. You said “his own paper.” 
Mr. Lroyp. I should say that it was one of his leading supporters. 
The Cmamrman. When did you first have anv knowledge of the 
national-origins provision of the 1924 law? 
Mr. Lovo. I was informed about it shortly after it passed. Ihave 
been interested in the subject for a great many years. 
The CuarrmaN. Did you then, as Senator Nye asked vou. have any 
conception of how it would work out? 
Mr. Lovo. T had just the conception that the quotas would be a 
cross section of the population. 
The Cuarruan. I have understood from our experts that it took 
them a considerable period of time to determine what the results of 
the national origins would be? 
Mr. Lroyp. Yes, sir. 
Tow CuarmaN. You knew that. however, in the beginning: did 
ou? 
y Mr. Liovp. No, sir. I knew the principle, the formula. 1 did 
not realize the exact figures to be worked out, or approximately. 
The CHAIRMAN. Do you recall the original report that was made 
by the three members of the President’s (Cabinet to the Congress of 
the United States upon this subject? 
Mr. Lroyp. That is the original letter of January 3. 
The CHairMAN. Was that dictated by “lip service” to the immi- 
gration law in order to avoid restriction at all, in your opinion 
Mr. Leroy. Well, sir, there were in all about four or five different 
copies of that letter, and I do not pretend to understand it.