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Mr. Gray. No; it was not agreed on in convention, but in con- 
ference. 
Mr. KincaeLoe. Well, at whose suggestion? 
Mr. Gray. At no one particular person’s suggestion. 
Mr. KiNncHELOE. Somebody made the suggestion or you would 
never had used this language. 
Mr. Gray. It was the result of experience. 
Mr. KincaeLoE. Well, how do you mean—experience? 
Mr. Gray. The difficulty of getting the bill through and enacted 
into law with that provision in it. 
Mr. KincHELOE. So, then, your major reason for it was because if 
the original provision was in it it would not meet the approval of the 
President. 
Mr. Gray. It might not. We don’t know. 
Mr. KINCcHELOE. I sav, was that the major reason? 
Mr. Gray. I suspect it was. That might have been the major 
reason. 
Mr. KiNCHELOE. You were there? 
Mr. Gray. We want this kind of legislation enacted into law, 
and if we are going to get a presidential veto on that particular 
thing, by giving the advisory councils a little bit more authoritative 
power, why not rewrite the bill, refine the measure so that that 
obstruction can be removed. 
Mr. KincueLOE. Then what about the equalization proposition. 
Do you think the President is going to sign this bill if it passes? 
Mr. Gray. I have no authority to say. 
Mr. KincEELOE. You will encounter more obstruction in that 
equalization fee than you would in the board proposition. 
Mr. Gray. No; I think we would have more trouble in regard to 
the board feature than we would have with some of the other features. 
Mr. KincrELOE. Where did you get that information? From the 
President? 
Mr. Gray. From the long letter he appended to his veto message, 
from the Attorney General in which I presume he subscrbed to 
avery word, or he would not have appended it. 
Mr. KincaELoE. He also raised the constitutional objection to 
the equalization fee. 
Mr. Gray. Yes; but we are not giving way to tnose objections. 
Mr. KincuerLoe. That is just exactly what I am trying to find out. 
Mr. Gray. We can alter the bill in some regards, as I mentioned 
vesterday. There are 10 objections which are alleged against the 
bill as it passed the last session. In the revision of this bill we have 
removed eight of those. We are not going to remove that objection 
which resides in the equalization fee, because that is the only device 
that any of us have ever vet been able to evolve which avoids tae 
farmer being made a pensioner of the Federal Treasury. 
Mr. KincueLor. Well, what I am getting at is this. You admit, 
or you did awhile ago, or yesterday, that the provision relating to 
the appointment of the Farm Board in the bill that we passed was a 
much better provision than you have got in the present Haugen bill. 
Mr. Gray. In regard to the Federal Farm Board? 
Mr. KincHELOE. Yes, when the farmers have something to say 
about it. I sav vou admit that that provision that was in the bill