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The Crammax. Do you not think that our immigration law at 
present has been generally acquiesced in? 
Mr. Lion. I do not think, sir, this question has been at all under- 
stood. I think there are a great many people who are opposed to 
the national-origins basis, who are temporarily rendering the-hp- 
service to the 1890 basis; but in a great many instances thogé people 
have the objective of breaking down restriction. and as soon as you 
get the national origins out of the way then those people who are 
rendering lip -service to the 1890 basis will turn and attack it on 
those grounds I have mentioned. 
Senator Nye. Do you feel, Mr. Lloyd, that the 1790 census is not 
subject to any attack? 
Mr. Lroyp. 1 should say it is beyond any serious attack. I do not 
think that anything very much in this world is perfect. I should be 
guided by the expert opinion in cases of that kind, and, as I say, I 
Jo not think anything is perfect. 
The CHairmax. Just what is the defect in the law at present 
that is being administered ¢ 
Mr. Lroyp. Defect? 
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. 
Mr. Lioyp. Well, it is discriminatory in a great many ways. The 
quota figures, of course, you gentlemen are familiar with. 1 do not 
think there is any basis, any rhyme or reason for a basis of quotas 
which gives to Germany one and a half times as much as England, 
Scotland, Wales, and north Ireland. I do not think there 15 any 
rhyme or reason or basis or justice In quotas which give the Irish 
Free State, with a population of less than the State of New York, 
almost as much as Great Britain. 
1 believe it is fair to sdy that in this restrictive law the idea wus to 
ecure assimilable immigration, and it would seem that the most as- 
«imilable kind, unless you are going to select and he highly dis- 
criminatory the other way, would be to have your incoming quotas 
substantially of the same composition. same kind of elements, and 
same proportions as found in the populations. I do not think any- 
body in their senses would argue that this country is one and a half 
times as much German as British or Irish as it is British; and as 
long as we are going to have immigration’ we might just as well 
have the kind that will blend in harmoniously with our existing 
population. 
The Crarryrax. Do you believe in any immigration at all? 
Mr. Lroyn. Do 1? 
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. 
Mr. Loy. Well. sir, T had not made up my mind on that ques- 
tion. I do not think that isa practical question. I think that rather 
than: have improper immigration, unassimilable immigration, It 
would be better to have exclusion. but I do not think that that 1s a 
question to be talked about or, from my point of view. considered. 
{ trv not to waste my time, 
The (‘maizmax. 1 have no doubt vou would not waste your time 
under any circumstances, Mr. Lloyd. But the question was asked 
and is entitled to an answer. 
Mr Lioyp. I have not made up my mind.