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anybody else?”” Now he insists on having his surplus handled out of 
the equalization fee, and the question arose with me whether that 
would be operated or not, so long as there was anything of the 
equalization fee left to operate it. Had you thought of that at all? 
Mr. Gray. We have discussed that. 
Mr. Apkins. You know human nature. We can not change 
he Have you thought about that or discussed that at all? 
r. Gray. We have. 
Mr. Apkins. Do you think it would ever be operated while there 
was any of the fund left? 
Mr. Gray. It is a hard question to answer. It would depend, 
Congressman Adkins, upon the attitude and the decision of the board 
of directors of the cooperative organizations. 
Mr. Apkins. I am asking you a practical question now. That is 
the thought I had in mind. I said myself that I would be willing to 
try it out on one thing, but I would not want to give the other fellow 
the privilege of using the fund while I was trying it out on this fellow. 
That works a little like the fellow that had a remedy for measles and 
got scared of it, and they had a simple boy in the family and they 
finally decided they would try it out on John, and if it didn’t kill him 
then the rest of the family would use it. In other words, the thought 
I had in mind was, Will we debar the other fellow from access to the 
stabilization fund until such time as some group decides to try it out 
because I question very much whether the corn growers in my neigh. 
borhood—and I think we have pretty loyal cooperative elevator com- 
panies—that if our companies would join with others to say “Here 
we want an operating period on corn, and we want you to estimate 
the size of the fee that will be needed to take care of this loss, and we 
will take it.” I do not know whether our membership might disin- 
tergrate on that proposition or not, and say, “That is a pretty thing 
bo hand fo the corn growers, and stabilize other people’s surplus out 
or one . easury. N ow you are imposing it on us.” Have you 
Mr. Gray. Yes; and that is one of the reasons for our organiza- 
tion standing against any farm relief bill that holds primarily and 
fundamentally the danger of disintegrating loyalty to the coo, era 
tive organizations, for the simple reason that a man does not Heed 
ip ney cooperator in order to get the benefit of this hand-out by 
eral lreasury; and i i 
yours, and we dou oy oo have been discussing that for several 
Mr. Apxins (interposing). Wh i ind i i 
¢ . t1h 
of putting thot oa om w 61 ad in mind is as to the widsom 
r. KINCHELOE. id} 
in hs bill, hror Why do you want to put the McNary provision 
r. Gray. Because, if you will read b i 
nary s pl, you will find that those Jitu tn sain 8 pf Seay 
wo ul d call ox derly mar oti” Those loans can be used for what I 
Mr. K . 
i mers da LO. They can get that under the Haugen bill that 
Mr. Apkins. Y i 
die provisions of os Nan orderly marketing of the surplus, under 
keting of all - oes not pertain to the general mar- 
g _ our commodities, domestic use of the ¢ di 
understand it, but this other feature that we ar OThIND ity, as 1 
e speaking about, if