Full text : Report from the Select Committee on Slave Trade (East Coast of Africa); together with the proceedings of the Committee, minutes of evidence, appendix and index

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MINUTES  OF  EVIDENCE  TAKEN  BEFORE  SELECT  COMMITTEE

Hon.
C.  Vivian.

13  July  .
1871.

Americans  have  taken  any  active  part  in  the
suppression  of  the  slave  trade  in  East  Africa.
183-4.  Do  you  know  whether  the  consul  is  an
American  born  subject  ?—I  cannot  tell  you  that  ;
Mr.  Churchill  will  probably  be  able  to  tell  you.
Then,  1  want  to  refer  to  a  very  Important  point,
about  which,  I  think,  you  can  get  better  evidence
from  Mr.  Churchill.  I  said  on  Monday  that  I
thought  one  of  the  chief  levers  to  be  made  use
of  was  the  payment  of  a  money  compensation  to
the  Sultan  to  induce  him  to  give  up  his  right  to
transport  slaves  by  sea.  Dr.  Kirk,  in  a  letter,
dated  December  24,  1870,  (in  the  papers  laid  before ­
  Parliament  in  the  early  part  of  this  year)
advises  us  that  there  is  another  way  of  bringing ­
  pressure  to  bear  upon  the  Sultan.  He
says  “  I  think  that  we  stand  in  a  better  position
to  bring  his  Highness  to  reason  on  the  more
weighty  matter  that  will  be  pressed  upon  him,
the  suppression  of  the  slave  trade,  on  which  I
have  as  yet  no  reason  to  think  that  his  Highness
has  altered  his  views.  In  re-opening  the  friendly
relations  between  the  Arab  Government  and
British  agency,  I  have  allowed  all  advances  to
come  from  his  side,  and  avoided  compromising  the
advantage  we  hold  in  pressing  important  concessions ­
  upon  a  prince  who  has  once,  in  insulting
terms,  declined  to  discuss  questions  submitted  to,
and  entered  into,  by  his  predecessor  ;  and  who
will  be  entirely  in  our  hands  the  moment  we
choose  to  press  the  matter.  My  former  intimate
acquaintance  with  Seyed  Burgash  gives  me  little
hope  that  he  will  give  in  without  pressure,  but
this  is  easily  applied  through  the  commercial
treaty,  one  half  of  the  provisions  of  which  have
never  been  enforced.  Should  a  favourable  occasion ­
  offer  I  shall  sound  his  Highness  on  the
slave  question  ;  and  the  way  has  been  prepared
for  further  action  by  publishing  in  Arabic  and
Gujeratee  an  abstract  of  our  treaty  rights,  which
I  had  before  submitted  to  Seyed  Majid,  at  the
time  he  hesitated  to  reduce  the  coast  tax,  then
unequally  levied  on  our  subjects  and  the  French.
This  abstract  has  been  accepted  by  his  Highness
Seyed  Burgash,  as  a  fair  embodiment  of  our
treaty  rights  ;  but  so  ignorant  is  he  of  the
financial  arrangements  of  his  government,  that
he  does  not  see  that  there  are  clauses  which,
when  enforced,  will  deprive  him  of  two-thirds
of  his  revenue.”  That  means  to  say,  if  we
insist  upon  the  stipulations,  which  we  have  a
right  to  insist  upon,  in  this  commercial  treaty  of
1639,  we  can  deprive  him  of  a  great  part  of  his
revenue.  That  appears  to  me  an  important  point
to  consider.
185.  He  considers  himself  bound  by  that
Treaty  of  1839  ?-  Yes  ;  abstracts  of  it  have  been
printed  in  Arabic  and  Gujeratee,  which  he  has
accepted  as  correct  versions.  Then  I  wish  to
read  to  the  Committee  two  or  three  extracts  from
important  despatches  received  since  I  last  gave
my  evidence,  which  may  be  of  use  to  the  Committee. ­
  The  first  is  dated  from  Zanzibar,  the
20th  of  March  this  year.  Dr.  Kirk  says,  “  The
whole  subject  (this  is  about  the  dis])Osition  of
liberated  slaves),  of  the  disposal  of  slaves  on
shore  here,  is  one  requiring  much  consideration
and  careful  organisation  before  being  practised
to  any  extent.  In  the  absence  of  some  official
thoroughly  conversant  with  both  the  Zanzibar
people  and  the  tribes  of  the  mainland,  I  consider
that  it  would  be  most  dangerous  to  allow  so
helpless  beings,  as  a  cargo  of  freed  slaves,  to  go
into  the  hands  of  any  proprietor  here.  Properly

directed,  I  believe,  that  a  greater  influence  can
be  obtained  for  the  abolition  of  slavery  through
those  freed  slaves  than  in  any  other  way  ;  and
nothing  can  be  more  disgraceful  than  the  present
mode  of  dealing  with  them  at  Aden  and  Bombay.
I  am  certain  however  that  it  will  be  found  expedient, ­
  if  not  necessary,  so  long  as  Zanzibar
remains  a  free  Arab  government,  for  us  to  have
a  free  settlement  somewhere  on  the  coast,  possibly
not  an  English  possession,  but  certainly  under
our  administration.  On  such  a  station  only  could
a  mass  of  freed  slaves  be  properly  and  advantageously ­
  dealt  with  for  the  first  five  years  of
their  freedom,  and  a  settlement  of  this  nature  on
the  coast,  would  be  a  break  in  the  land  route
that  will  at  once  be  opened  when  the  sea  transport ­
  is  prohibited  and  blockaded.”  Next,  as  to  the
position  of  the  slave  trade.  Dr.  Kirk  writes  on
the  4th  of  April  this  year,  “  It  is  notorious  how
active  are  the  preparations  for  the  slave  trade  this
season,  and  how  utterly  powerless  the  Sultan  is
to  prevent  the  system  of  kidnapping,  and  secret
slave  dealing,  that  is  carried  on  by  and  for  the
northern  Arabs.  Ko  one  more  readily  acknowledges ­
  this  than  his  Highness,  who  has  of  late
seized  in  town  50  kidnapped  slaves  from  the
houses  occupied  by  these  Muscat  people,  but  he
knows  that  his  officers  are  all  open  to  bribes,  and
that  although  he  can  in  a  measure  throw  difficulties ­
  in  the  way  of  their  leaving  the  harbour,
he  has  no  power  to  stop  the  transport  of  slaves
in  'small  lots,  to  other  places  on  the  coast  at
which  the  slave  dhows  call.  Unfortunately  no
suspicion  attaches  to  native  vessels  leaving  the
harbour  in  ballast,  as  so  many  cargoes  of  wooden
rafters  and  corn  are  collected  for  Arabia  from
creeks  and  harbours  along  the  coast,  but  the  absence ­
  of  the  usual  bounties  so  foolishly  given  to
the  Arabs  of  Oman,  by  the  late  Seyed  Majid,
will  prove  some  discouragement  to  their  return
next  year.”  Then  Dr.  Kirk  writes  on  the  14th
of  April,  ""  Seyed  Burgash  said,  that  from  the
English  he  had  no  fear,  so  long  as  he  adhered  to
the  word  of  the  old  treaties  ;  these  he  said  had
been  granted  and  could  not  be  revoked,  but
that  he  well  knew  the  English  could  not,  and
would  not,  force  him  beyond  the  text  of  what
they  had  already  got.  He  added  that  he  fully
expected  they  would  write,  talk,  and  threaten,
possibly  even  send  ships  ;  but  he  was  perfectly
at  his  ease,  knowing  that  they  would  not  use
force,  unless  he  gave  them  the  excuse  by  departing ­
  from  what  had  been  signed.  Anticipating, ­
  through  the  English,  trouble  from
Muscat,  he  said  he  had  made  a  compact  with
Toorkee,  and  that  both  of  them  understood  each
other  and  the  English  also,  that  the  one  would
not  be  made  the  means  of  ruining  the  other.
Seemingly  in  connection  with  the  last  subject,
his  Highness  sent  me  the  original  of  a  letter  he
had  received  from  Seyed  Toorkee,  and  I  am
aware  that  he  had  sent  to  Muscat  20,000  dollars
a  few  days  ago.  I  have  also  been  informed  that
the  subject  of  the  renewal  of  the  Muscat  subsidy
was  discussed  in  Durbar,  on  receipt  of  letters
from  the  agent  of  Jairam  in  Bombay,  informing
Ludda  Damji  that  Toorkee  has,  or  will  receive
permission  from  Bombay  to  claim  the  subsidy
with  two  years  arrears,  and  if  not  paid,  enforce  it
in  his  own  way.  But  I  think  for  the  payment  ol
the  subsidy  Seyed  Burgash  is  prepared.  In  all
my  former  reports  I  have  given  Seyed  Burgash
the  credit  that  is  his  due,  for  having  cleared  out
a  mass  of  iniquity  and  corruption  in  the  course  of
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